Wunder PEQ2r on mixbus

computa · 31st October 2008

Heard a project that used wunder pre for tracking. huge sound.

thinking of getting (2) wunder PEQ2r to use on mixbus out of PT. Anyone using them or any wunder stuff?

Plan to use them going into smart C2 then into HEDD.

**TonyBelmont** · 31st October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by computa

Heard a project that used wunder pre for tracking. huge sound.

thinking of getting (2) wunder PEQ2r to use on mixbus out of PT. Anyone using them or any wunder stuff?

Plan to use them going into smart C2 then into HEDD.

They are pretty good, but I think there are other EQ's I would buy for the two buss instead.

RoundBadge · 31st October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by computa

Heard a project that used wunder pre for tracking. huge sound.

thinking of getting (2) wunder PEQ2r to use on mixbus out of PT. Anyone using them or any wunder stuff?

Plan to use them going into smart C2 then into HEDD.

Huge sound can be a lot of things..good preamps are a factor but there's a bunch of other things involved as well

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

They are pretty good, but I think there are other EQ's I would buy for the two buss instead.

I agree.I had the Wunders and for shits a giggles used them across the 2 buss a few times for some pop/rock stuff...worked for a few things but generally prefer things like Pultecs,etc on the mix buss.
the eq is fine tool for fairly broad,clear and warm..unsurgical things.
used the pres for overheads and room mics and acoustic stuff with good results.sold em last year to pay for some console purchases

Don't buy into gs hype:demo stuff w/ your ears

Dan · 31st October 2008

I've used the PEQ-1's on the mix bus. The EQ is so broad, and touchy that it's a little hard to use in that way. I'm not big on strapping an eq on the mix bus though, so such a powerful eq over everything wouldn't be my thing. I'd rather get a bunch of them and put them on everything individually, but yikes, the price.

That may not make sense, but I love the sound of just going through them. I have gotten in trouble with over EQ with them, so I'm pretty careful with how I use the EQ.

dubrichie · 31st October 2008

i like to use them as make-up gain after compressors on the 2-Buss. sounds great.

don't use the EQ so much in that application, but on individual tracks it can be wonderful.

Johnkenn · 1st November 2008

I have to say...I didn't love the PEQ2 like I thought I would. I bought into the hype and lost a few bucks in the process. It's a fine product, but I found it a little brighter than I expected it to be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Huge sound can be a lot of things..good preamps are a factor but there's a bunch of other things involved as well
Don't buy into the mic pre hype.

I agree.I had the Wunders and for shits a giggles used them across the 2 buss a few times for some pop/rock stuff...worked for a few things but ultimately much prefer other things like Pultecs,etc on the mix buss.
the eq is fine tool for fairly broad,clear and warm..unsurgical things.,no magic bullet/mojo thing though.
used the pres for overheads and room mics and acoustic stuff with good results.sold em last year to pay for some console purchases

Don't believe the hype:Demo stuff

computa · 3rd November 2008

cool. gonna see if i can grab 2 of em for a test run

RoundBadge · 3rd November 2008

Yes demo them before you commit the money.
unfortunately I lost lot on resale

computa · 3rd November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Yes demo them before you commit the money.
They are not cheap and believe me, resale is not good on the wunder gear

any suggestions?

RoundBadge · 3rd November 2008

For demos try vintage King.I also think there is a trial period

allencollins · 3rd November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

They are pretty good, but I think there are other EQ's I would buy for the two buss instead.

Sorry Tony NOTHING you sell is as good as a peq module.
Sure it's all subjective but I have yet to find a better sounding
pre/eq than a wunder. The only thing in it's League would be
a 1073 or something. You can come up with something as good
but not better. No way

For Neve style clones wunder is the best

Have you even used a Wunder product? seriously?

RoundBadge · 4th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by allencollins

Sorry Tony NOTHING you sell is as good as a peq module.
Sure it's all subjective but I have yet to find a better sounding
pre/eq than a wunder. The only thing in it's League would be
a 1073 or something. You can come up with something as good
but not better. No way

For Neve style clones wunder is the best

Have you even used a Wunder product? seriously?

tutt
Tony actually does sell something that sounds as good and in my world turned out to be more useful [and way closer to a Neve pre than the PEQ]
its the Aurora GTQ2.
and I owned two of each
Your outta your mind if you think the wunder is a neve clone.especially the EQ..
ever look inside the thing?one thing,the transformers are completely different to a marinair/carnill.

I had some PEQ's for a couple years. they were a nice warm open fairly uncolored mic pre.great for certain things.
but honestly all said and done everyone in the studio seemed to use the Auroras more than the Wunders.
the GTQ has the vibe and punch and sonically very much like a 1073 but a tad more air in the hi's.I still regret selling them but i needed $ for consoles.
also you can't drive the Wunder like a 10XX neve module.The wunder has tons of headroom and that's great, but doesn't do the Neve /API saturation/crunch thing if you need it.
And as far as the EQ's go,the Wunder sounds nothing remotely like my 1084/73's.
overall nice,but they're fairly broad and smoother more poilte by comparison.

darkwater · 4th November 2008

Easy now, RB, don't let allen get your dander up. We've all witnessed the reckless naysayer spouting spoof on many occasions. Who can know what goes on in that head?

Think of him like Tom Lykis: I vigorously disagree, but it's entertaining!

allencollins · 4th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

tutt
Tony actually does sell something that sounds as good and in my world turned out to be more useful [and way closer to a Neve pre than the PEQ]
..its the Aurora GTQ2..
and I owned two of each
Your outta your mind if you think the wunder is a neve clone.especially the EQ..
ever look inside the thing?one thing,the transformers are completely different to a marinair/carnill.

I had some PEQ's for a couple years. they were a nice warm open fairly uncolored mic pre.great for certian things.
but honestly all said and done everyone in the studio used the Auroras much more than the Wunders,which sad to say crapped out more than a few times [ 2 x with some very hi profile clients

]
the GTQ has the vibe and punch and sonically very much like a 1073 but a tad more air in the hi's.I still regret selling them but i needed $ for consoles.
also you can't drive the Wunder like a 10XX neve module.The wunder has tons of headroom and that's great, but doesn't do the Neve /API saturation/crunch thing if you need it.
And as far as the EQ's go,the Wunder sounds nothing remotely like my 1084/73's.
overall nice,but they're fairly broad and polite by comparison.

can you read?

I never said the peq sounded like a neve
I said it's in the same 'League'

'League' as in sound quality not in sonic character.....................

I can't comment on the GTQ. Though every post I see by tony
he's trying to shove it downs someones throat.
I have great respect for Geoff but tony just spoils it for me

Also I have a rack of neve's I think the wunders are better
better bottom end and sweeter mids.

Wunder is king!!!!

RoundBadge · 4th November 2008

Yeah I know ..but when this goon spreads disinformation to someone looking to spend big $..the gloves come off

allencollins · 4th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkwater

Easy now, RB, don't let allen get your dander up. We've all witnessed the reckless naysayer spouting spoof on many occasions. Who can know what goes on in that head?

Think of him like Tom Lykis: I vigorously disagree, but it's entertaining!

watch it! If you only knew?............ someday my friends... some day

foot in mouth will be the norm

allencollins · 4th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Yeah I know ..but when this goon spreads disinformation to someone looking to spend big $..the gloves come off

Wunder makes great stuff. I'm not the only goon spreading disinformation ?

But I'll tell Mike Castoro what you think next time I see him.

RoundBadge · 4th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by allencollins

For Neve style clones wunder is the best

This is disinformation

Quote:

Originally Posted by allencollins

Wunder makes great stuff. I'm not the only goon spreading disinformation ?

But I'll tell Mike Castoro what you think next time I see him.

Never said the Wunder stuff sounded lousy ya' weasel.
I love my CM7 to death
Little baby gonna go a tell Mikey I said something bad?

Dan · 4th November 2008

I think it's an understandable confusion, as they were originally made in the same form factor as the 1073 (and the like), and could even be used to replace old modules. Allotrope isn't exactly a name that sticks in your head, and referencing that old module is meaningful to what, 6 people?

I think Tony's post is pretty clearly talking about the EQ, and it's application for 2 bus.

Still, the irony in AC's post is striking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by allencollins

Couldn't agree more.........

Another thing I've noticed on message boards is loads of misinformation. But then again this is the political season atleast in the states. Misinformation and unsubstaniated 'opinions' are the norm around elections. Payola doesn't just cross party lines it crosses many many 'political' circles.

But as long as there are honest, unbiased eminently fair folks like you who have nothing to gain by their opinions, I can feel good.

**TonyBelmont** · 4th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by allencollins

Sorry Tony NOTHING you sell is as good as a peq module.
Sure it's all subjective but I have yet to find a better sounding
pre/eq than a wunder. The only thing in it's League would be
a 1073 or something. You can come up with something as good
but not better. No way

For Neve style clones wunder is the best

Have you even used a Wunder product? seriously?

I have Wunder products in stock....

High Profile Audio | Wunder Audio | 401-316-6423

AND... WUNDER DOES NOT MAKE NEVE CLONES!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

I think it's an understandable confusion, as they were originally made in the same form factor as the 1073 (and the like), and could even be used to replace old modules. Allotrope isn't exactly a name that sticks in your head, and referencing that old module is meaningful to what, 6 people?

I think Tony's post is pretty clearly talking about the EQ, and it's application for 2 bus.

Exactly. That's what the thread is suppose to be about.

allencollins · 4th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

This is disinformation dumbass.fuuck

Never said the Wunder stuff sounded lousy ya' weasel.
I love my CM7 to death
Little baby gonna go a tell Mikey I said something bad?

easy killer no need to be abusive. Everytime you write something
you have a knack of making a fool of yourself.

The peq eq sections is layed out much like a 1073. That was all I was refering
I guess I should have been more clear. My bad :-[

Ok smarty pants...... Renting gear pays more than using it to make records?
Or does making records not pay as much as renting gear?

Round Badge I must confess you made me who I am today.........

DanRock101 · 4th November 2008

I just acquired TWO PEQ1 preamps. I know that they've come out with the PEQ2. Don't know why, the PEQ1 does indeed sound enormous. I have Ridge Farm, Millennia, True, Apogee, (HAD) UA....the Wunder really pumps things up.

And I'm not even talking about the EQ yet. The EQ can do it all.... yes, it can **** things up too! A Hemi engine is kick ass unless you run your car off a cliff & kill yourself. But yeah, I love the midrange on the Wunder and the BAAAAASSS can destroy small children! The high are good for CUTTING, which, in today's mic market is a GREAT thing.

I would definitely love a PAFOUR. It would be great to go along with my API 3124 (next month acquistion). After the API it will either be a PAFOUR or a Great River MPV. That may just cover my bases....

Anyway thumbsupthumbsupthumbsupthumbsupthumbsup....I don't have enough thumbs to put up regarding the Wunder PEQ (1, that is)! Not counting the one up my butt that is!

RoundBadge · 4th November 2008

I needed a nap..now I'm.. well again!

Quote:

Originally Posted by allencollins

you have a knack of making a fool of yourself.

Well thank you Mr C ..coming from the grand fool himself i'll take that as a compliment!

Quote:

Originally Posted by allencollins

Round Badge I must confess you made me who I am today.........

And Vice/Versa..its been a pleasure pal!

Dan · 4th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanRock101

After the API it will either be a PAFOUR or a Great River MPV. That may just cover my basses....

fixed that for ya!

DONNX · 9th November 2009

Hey roundbadge, what brand of transformers are in the PEQ's?

RoundBadge · 9th November 2009

I think they are a custom job that Mike has made by the original people who did the windings for John Paul jones' original Heliotrope console modules.
I talked to him about it a while back,he was trying different core metals and other neat techy above my head stuff.
i believe the newer PEQ's have a lot of cool updates/ improvements. one specifically being the upgraded "nico" (Nickle/Iron/Colbalt) transformer.
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one for a listen

DONNX · 10th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

I think they are a custom job that Mike has made by the original people who did the windings for John Paul jones' original Heliotrope console modules.
I talked to him about it a while back,he was trying different core metals and other neat techy above my head stuff.
i believe the newer PEQ's have a lot of cool updates/ improvements. one specifically being the upgraded "nico" (Nickle/Iron/Colbalt) transformer.
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one for a listen

Nice, thanks for the info. I have been hearing that the PEQ1s are not so stellar. If there are improvements on the PEQ2s, that would be very cool.
I wondering if those eqs are good as the 1073s.

RoundBadge · 10th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by DONNX

I have been hearing that the PEQ1s are not so stellar. If there are improvements on the PEQ2s, that would be very cool.
I wondering if those eqs are good as the 1073s.

It's all so subjective.I liked them although they're different to 1073's,API's,etc.
different texture tonally.smooth. even extended lows,natural open hi's
the eq is generally broader,less aggressive and has a sweet smooth character to it.good for a lot of things
really nice for warm natural sounds .i used them quite a bit on drum room mics,overheads,strings.
It's probably safe to assume the changes Mike has made are for better functionality and sonics.

dubrichie · 10th November 2009

well i've been using 10 channels of Wunder preamp on almost everything for a couple of years now and love them.

everything sounds great. period.

they stack really well. i would have 24 channels of them happily.

i would be interested in trying the newer version, but don't expect that i'll get the chance for a long time, so i'm not losing any sleep over it.

love. Wunder. sound.

31st October 2008	#1
computa Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,613 Thread Starter	Wunder PEQ2r on mixbus Heard a project that used wunder pre for tracking. huge sound. thinking of getting (2) wunder PEQ2r to use on mixbus out of PT. Anyone using them or any wunder stuff? Plan to use them going into smart C2 then into HEDD.

31st October 2008	#4
Dan Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,648	I've used the PEQ-1's on the mix bus. The EQ is so broad, and touchy that it's a little hard to use in that way. I'm not big on strapping an eq on the mix bus though, so such a powerful eq over everything wouldn't be my thing. I'd rather get a bunch of them and put them on everything individually, but yikes, the price. That may not make sense, but I love the sound of just going through them. I have gotten in trouble with over EQ with them, so I'm pretty careful with how I use the EQ. __________________ Rent some gear in Dallas! Stay classy, planet Earth.

31st October 2008	#5
dubrichie Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 2,319	i like to use them as make-up gain after compressors on the 2-Buss. sounds great. don't use the EQ so much in that application, but on individual tracks it can be wonderful. __________________ Regards, Richie. "a paradigm of restraint and good taste at a time of frequent excess"

4th November 2008	#13
darkwater Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Topanga, CA Posts: 1,375	Easy now, RB, don't let allen get your dander up. We've all witnessed the reckless naysayer spouting spoof on many occasions. Who can know what goes on in that head? Think of him like Tom Lykis: I vigorously disagree, but it's entertaining! __________________ "Influences are alarm clocks of talents you already have within you."- Juana Molina "Don't play everything. Let some things go by. Some music is just imagined" - Thelonius Monk

4th November 2008	#22
DanRock101 Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oxnard Posts: 1,032	WUNDER kick donkey! I just acquired TWO PEQ1 preamps. I know that they've come out with the PEQ2. Don't know why, the PEQ1 does indeed sound enormous. I have Ridge Farm, Millennia, True, Apogee, (HAD) UA....the Wunder really pumps things up. And I'm not even talking about the EQ yet. The EQ can do it all.... yes, it can **** things up too! A Hemi engine is kick ass unless you run your car off a cliff & kill yourself. But yeah, I love the midrange on the Wunder and the BAAAAASSS can destroy small children! The high are good for CUTTING, which, in today's mic market is a GREAT thing. I would definitely love a PAFOUR. It would be great to go along with my API 3124 (next month acquistion). After the API it will either be a PAFOUR or a Great River MPV. That may just cover my bases.... Anyway thumbsupthumbsupthumbsupthumbsupthumbsup....I don't have enough thumbs to put up regarding the Wunder PEQ (1, that is)! Not counting the one up my butt that is!

3rd November 2008	#7
computa Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,613 Thread Starter	cool. gonna see if i can grab 2 of em for a test run

3rd November 2008	#8
RoundBadge Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca. Posts: 8,753	Yes demo them before you commit the money. unfortunately I lost lot on resale

9th November 2009	#25
DONNX Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: United States Posts: 5,347	Hey roundbadge, what brand of transformers are in the PEQ's?

10th November 2009	#29
dubrichie Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 2,319	well i've been using 10 channels of Wunder preamp on almost everything for a couple of years now and love them. everything sounds great. period. they stack really well. i would have 24 channels of them happily. i would be interested in trying the newer version, but don't expect that i'll get the chance for a long time, so i'm not losing any sleep over it. love. Wunder. sound.

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