31st October 2008
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#1 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2006 Location: nj
Posts: 291
Thread Starter  | Neve 8816 Pain in the Ass Feature
WHo told them to use DSUB!? No but really guys, this is a pain in the ass. Say you take the balanced main outputs from the 8816, since it's a dsub, your entire output range on that dsub is now wasted (usually it's 1-8 per dsub). So that's wasting 6 inputs to the converter because you need two to connect from 8816 to the converter.
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31st October 2008
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#2 | | Banned
Joined: Sep 2008 Location: San Diego
Posts: 54
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use a patchbay and your not wasting anything
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31st October 2008
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#3 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jul 2003 Location: EARS/Chicago
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Hello Somsto,
Its not a pain in the ass, it's a feature. The stereo 2 buss output of the 8816 is on dsub connectors.
So what??---you are accessing the stereo out. That is the way its done.
No big deal. Get quality cabling and start mixing.
The unit is a 16X2 stereo mixer, not a multi buss or multi-track output box. (With the fader pack installed, it does offer you direct outputs. The fader pack is worth the money and is essential in my opinion)
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31st October 2008
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#4 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2005 Location: germany
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no problem with all the d-subs connected to the patchbay  | |
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31st October 2008
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#5 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2006 Location: nj
Posts: 291
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by phil  no problem with all the d-subs connected to the patchbay | Are there patchbays that take dsub and output trs or xlr?
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31st October 2008
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#6 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by somsto75 Are there patchbays that take dsub and output trs or xlr? | Not that I know of, but I think you're overlooking two things here.
1. You don't have to use DSUB->DSUB cables. Just get a DSUB->XLR (or whatever) breakout snake and you'll be fine.
2. If you want to use a high-end DSUB patchbay, the idea is to plug everything in your studio into the patchbay via DSUB cables. Then you normal and patch accordingly. Our Mixbay is a perfect example of this and has been very popular since its release. Here's a link if you'd like to check it out: AudioLot*MixBay - Pro Audio Sales - AudioLot - 888-224-3343
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31st October 2008
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#7 | | 70% Coffee, 30% Beer
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I've attached pages of the manual that explains the pin out configuration, as well, I have attached the entire manual for the 8816/8804.
Hope this helps
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31st October 2008
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#8 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2006 Location: nj
Posts: 291
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by kittonian Not that I know of, but I think you're overlooking two things here.
1. You don't have to use DSUB->DSUB cables. Just get a DSUB->XLR (or whatever) breakout snake and you'll be fine.
2. If you want to use a high-end DSUB patchbay, the idea is to plug everything in your studio into the patchbay via DSUB cables. Then you normal and patch accordingly. Our Mixbay is a perfect example of this and has been very popular since its release. Here's a link if you'd like to check it out: AudioLot*MixBay - Pro Audio Sales - AudioLot - 888-224-3343 | dude that patchbay is SUHWEET. no way though i have any $ left for it otherwise id snatch it up in a sec.
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31st October 2008
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#9 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2006 Location: nj
Posts: 291
Thread Starter | holy crap
see i constantly remind peopl ehere that im an idiot. But I finally get the pin out config's, thanks for the pdf's. So this means when you XLR's 1 - 6 there empty and available while 7 and 8 are sending the output signal, then I can use for example 5 and 6 to attach to my monitors or amp. And not use the unbalanced 1/4" jacks available on the unit.
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31st October 2008
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#10 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jul 2003 Location: EARS/Chicago
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Yes, somsto, you is right!
Don't use any of the unbalanced and 1/4" in/outs on the 8816. Only use the ones marked, "Balanced Main Output" on the back on the 8816. Refer to the manual to see monitor outs and all the rest.
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31st October 2008
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#11 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2006 Location: nj
Posts: 291
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by Plush Yes, somsto, you is right!
Don't use any of the unbalanced and 1/4" in/outs on the 8816. Only use the ones marked, "Balanced Main Output" on the back on the 8816. Refer to the manual to see monitor outs and all the rest. | thank you for bearing with me! I read thru the entire manual and studied the pin outs. My only question is, what are the "pre fade" inserts all about?
between u and me though, I think the manual could've been written a bit better. More systematically and a better breakdown of in's and out's before giving all the setup scenarios.
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31st October 2008
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#12 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2003 Location: Georgia
Posts: 410
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Originally Posted by somsto75 thank you for bearing with me! I read thru the entire manual and studied the pin outs. My only question is, what are the "pre fade" inserts all about?
between u and me though, I think the manual could've been written a bit better. More systematically and a better breakdown of in's and out's before giving all the setup scenarios. | The pre fade inserts allow you to patch in compressors, eqs, etc across the mix buss. It's activated by pressing the "INS" button on the front panel. You also have a second set of inserts called insert mix(activated with the "INS MIX" button) that allows you to patch in whatever you'd like a blend the dry signal and the effected signal... really cool for paralell compression.
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31st October 2008
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#13 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2006 Location: nj
Posts: 291
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by bentley The pre fade inserts allow you to patch in compressors, eqs, etc across the mix buss. It's activated by pressing the "INS" button on the front panel. You also have a second set of inserts called insert mix(activated with the "INS MIX" button) that allows you to patch in whatever you'd like a blend the dry signal and the effected signal... really cool for paralell compression. | So the plain insert jacks differ from the fade insert jacks? Insert jacks are for traditional insert processing and the fade ones allow a wet and dry blend parameter, correct?
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31st October 2008
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#14 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2004 Location: Nashville, TN
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Just remember, the outputs on the 3 non-input D-subs (master section) are wired stupid.
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 is how they should be wired
2-1-4-3-6-5-8-7 is how they ARE wired
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31st October 2008
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#15 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2005 Location: germany
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yeah, that drove me almost crazy when I installed mine  | |
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31st October 2008
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#16 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2003 Location: Georgia
Posts: 410
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Originally Posted by somsto75 So the plain insert jacks differ from the fade insert jacks? Insert jacks are for traditional insert processing and the fade ones allow a wet and dry blend parameter, correct? | Correct. | |
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31st October 2008
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#17 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2003 Location: Georgia
Posts: 410
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Originally Posted by phil yeah, that drove me almost crazy when I installed mine | Drove me crazy too!
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1st November 2008
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#18 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Aug 2006 Location: No longer participating here.
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Here's a nice DSub pb much cheaper... Redco Audio | |
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10th January 2009
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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11th January 2009
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#20 | | Gear addict
Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Germany
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Originally Posted by somsto75 Are there patchbays that take dsub and output trs or xlr? | Here is another one by RME that´s a pretty flexible solution: RME: BOB-32 | |
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11th January 2009
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#21 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: The Mix
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Tony, do you have a pic of the back panel of that GTM?
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11th January 2009
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#22 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Burbank, California
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Originally Posted by peeder | I have that one. The only caveat on this one is the recessed jacks. It is easy to not connect it fully if you are not diligent.
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12th January 2009
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#23 | | Gear addict
Joined: Feb 2004 Location: Tokyo, Japan
Posts: 308
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Originally Posted by jfw3 Just remember, the outputs on the 3 non-input D-subs (master section) are wired stupid.
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 is how they should be wired
2-1-4-3-6-5-8-7 is how they ARE wired | lol, this really threw me off as well when setting up, had to check and double check just to make sure it was connected up properly.
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16th June 2011
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#24 | | Gear interested
Joined: May 2007
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So I've recently begun using my recently acquired (purchased used) Neve 8816 and built a mix that consists of 20 or so tracks being sent from Logic in subgroups out my Lynx Aurora 16 to the 16 ins on my Neve 8816. I have the mix sounding as I want it coming out of the main monitor outs on the 8816 and it sounds quite good.
So I then connected 2 Mogami XLR cables from the Main Mix outs with the intention of running them to a Grace 201 and back into the Lynx to print my mix in Logic. But as soon as I connect the XLRs to the 8816 outs, I get an easily audible distortion out my main monitors. The weird thing is that the XLRs coming off the Main Mix outs do not even need to terminate to generate the distortion in the Monitor outs. As soon as they are connected - essentially acting only as an extension cord of the DSUB output snake - the distortion appears.
This rules out the possibility of any sort of feedback loop.
If anyone has had this problem or has any theories, I would very much appreciate it!
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16th June 2011
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#25 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 3,349
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Originally Posted by stevegries So I've recently begun using my recently acquired (purchased used) Neve 8816 and built a mix that consists of 20 or so tracks being sent from Logic in subgroups out my Lynx Aurora 16 to the 16 ins on my Neve 8816. I have the mix sounding as I want it coming out of the main monitor outs on the 8816 and it sounds quite good.
So I then connected 2 Mogami XLR cables from the Main Mix outs with the intention of running them to a Grace 201 and back into the Lynx to print my mix in Logic. But as soon as I connect the XLRs to the 8816 outs, I get an easily audible distortion out my main monitors. The weird thing is that the XLRs coming off the Main Mix outs do not even need to terminate to generate the distortion in the Monitor outs. As soon as they are connected - essentially acting only as an extension cord of the DSUB output snake - the distortion appears.
This rules out the possibility of any sort of feedback loop.
If anyone has had this problem or has any theories, I would very much appreciate it! | Does it happen with different cables as well, or only the Mogami ones?
Is it possible that those cables have either the hot or cold connections (pin 2 or 3) shorted to ground (pin 1). If so, that might explain it.
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