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Which Neumann Do You Prefer?

What you're preferred Neumann mic? I'm seriously thinking about saving for a U87 - are they really that good?

Also, are the cheaper Neumann TLM 103's any good?
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What you're preferred Neumann mic? I'm seriously thinking about saving for a U87 - are they really that good?

Also, are the cheaper Neumann TLM 103's any good?
The U87 is a very, very good mic. But the U47 tube is my absolute fav for vocals.... I would be afraid to take it with me to other studios though, so in my world the U47 fet does it all. I use it for vocals, horns, guitaramps, bassdrum and even snaredrum.

The TLM103's are in a different league, a bit too bright/harsh for vocals in my ears. But still a good mic.
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TLM103 sucks, IMHO. It should cost $300, most for that piece of crap.
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TLM103 sucks, IMHO. It should cost $300, most for that piece of crap.
Nice!!! I have one, I like it on toms.

But you are right it kinda sucks. Kinda thin and honky most of the time.
I like to think of it as the telecaster of microphones.

Cheap assembly line made mass production that cost $1000 and shouldcost $300
I guess every product line must have one of these overated gems
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What you're preferred Neumann mic? I'm seriously thinking about saving for a U87 - are they really that good?

Also, are the cheaper Neumann TLM 103's any good?

the older 87's are nice
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TLM170s are nice mics. Certainly worth having. (at least the older ones - have not tried any of the newer ones)
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But the U47 tube is my absolute fav for vocals.... I would be afraid to take it with me to other studios though, so in my world the U47 fet does it all. I use it for vocals, horns, guitaramps, bassdrum and even snaredrum.

The TLM103's are in a different league, a bit too bright/harsh for vocals in my ears. But still a good mic.
Why would you be afreaid to take a U47 to other studios? Just curious.

I find the TLM103 to be pretty bright and sometimes harsh as well. Wouldn't be my first choice for most vocal applications. I've also found the U87 to be slightly over rated. It's certainly a good mic, but I tend to think it's a bit expensive for what it can do. There's so many great mics available these days, I just don't think the U87 is as relevant today as it was 20 years ago.

If you're really dead set on getting a Neumann, I would suggest taking a listen to the TLM49 before you make up your mind. I was fairly surprised by that mic. I found it to be everything the TLM103 wasn't.
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u87 or a 82i for live.
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Why would you be afreaid to take a U47 to other studios? Just curious.
Is not my question but, I wouldn't take it from my place either. Hell, I wouldn't let anyone else touch it!
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The U87 is a classic mic, probably one of the best they still make. I would buy a used one as long as the capsule was in decent shape as the newest ones are not quite as good as certainly not worth the extra $1,000. Its hard to go wrong with a good U87 but they are not the best Neumann ever made and they don't work on all voices or sound sources.

If you had unlimited funds and a tolerance for dealing with old electronics, the VF14 equipped U47 is the king. Tube M49's and omni M50's are great. U67 mics (with the EF86 tube) and M269 mics (with the AC-701 tube) are amazing. A lot of tube U47's and M49's have been heavily modified by BLUE and other people so a U47 from someone like that might only be 10-20% real U47 and the rest made up of all kinds of non-Neumann stuff. This may or may not sound great and I would be careful about these. The very rare U77 mic is amazing (I have one), and does not sound like a U87, but these are very hard to find.

There are many great small diaphram Neumanns as well like the KM54, KM53, KM66, KM74, KM73, KM76, KM83, KM84, KM88, just to mention a few. These are used mostly to record instruments.

Also worth mentioning are the U89 and the TLM-170.

Neumann was sold to Sennheiser in the early 90's I think (not sure) and the newer Neumanns are not as well respected as the vintage models, but that is not to say they are not good. The main difference between the old ones and the new ones are the way the circuit boards are made. The new ones use automated machines and surface mount components. Its cheaper to make a mic that way, but the older hand made ones with discrete components hand soldered are the ones that are most respected.

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Without a doubt, the U47 is the "preferred" Neumann. No question. The 87 is a fine mic that doesnt quite get the love it should.

The 87 is kind of like the swiss army knife. Convenient when you have one around, but if you want the big tool, you've got to go back to the toolbox.
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My favourite Neumann is the M269c. Fantastic mic.
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The TLM 170 and M150 are my favorite of the new Neumann mics.
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Have to give my love for the U47 and a Korby Modified 67.

Preference to a VF14 in the 47, but a good EF will do me as well. I also tend to prefer the KK47 capsule, but now I'm getting picky.

Also, a pair of KM54s are just simply dangerous to have around. Those things sound so good its like I don't have to do my job when I'm in the studio. They make me lazy.
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TLM103 sucks, IMHO. It should cost $300, most for that piece of crap.
I beg to differ what type of pre are you using? I have used the TLM on several different applications and works fine w/avalon 737sp and api stuff. I like the TL49! great piece for voxs as well. Overall I am a U87 guy always have and always will be
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U 87ai with the innertube mod.
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My favourite Neumann is the M269c. Fantastic mic.

I second that, except the M269c is my favorite mic or all time
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sorry, I meant of all time
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I beg to differ what type of pre are you using? I have used the TLM on several different applications and works fine w/avalon 737sp and api stuff. I like the TL49! great piece for voxs as well. Overall I am a U87 guy always have and always will be
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The TLM 170 and M150 are my favorite of the new Neumann mics.
My favorite Neumann is the KM84, even in BGVs and choir is always perfect.

But, back in thread, I really like the U87 at mix time.
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Is not my question but, I wouldn't take it from my place either. Hell, I wouldn't let anyone else touch it!
Well, its such a goodsounding expensive piece of gear, and its fragile. I dont want to transport it over a bumpy road... Its in use everyday in a permanent setup. I leave it that way....

The TLM103: I think most of you mistake "not the best" mics with "real bad" mics. The TLM103 is not a bad mic, it doesnt suck. On vocals it can be harsh, but who said you can only use it on vocals?
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I would rather buy a TLM67 than a 87. The TLM67 would suit my music much better (folk, blues, soft-rock) than the 87, so you should really consider what you need it for. I have a TLM103 and I like it. Plugged into a good preamp, I think it sounds good (and certainly does not suck). Use it frequently on acoustic guitar. Even placed it in front of a small Fender amp the other day, sounded very cool.

Oh yeah, my favorite Neumann is the U47. It's the holy grail of microphones.
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M49C is my thing. followed closely by the m367
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The very rare U77 mic is amazing (I have one), and does not sound like a U87, but these are very hard to find.
Oh yeah!! I also love my U77 and besides my Brauner VM-1 is the best Vocal-mic I know. Funny that the U77 is not as sought after as Fairchild/Pultec etc.
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For a powerpop music kind of situation, going as hard to be honest pop punk Green Day sort of style at hardest (don't laugh it's just what im into), what would be the best. Any techie speak is it possible to get decoded? Cos I'm like :S with all the mods you guys are putting into your Neumann's, and I though U87 was the one to get nowadays.
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