Neve 1089

[colinmiller]

I was unable to find anything via search on gearslutz or google. Just wondering ig anyone has any info on this Neve module.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by colinmiller

I was unable to find anything via search on gearslutz or google. Just wondering ig anyone has any info on this Neve module.

Geoff probably does... I think I remember seeing them around... I can't remember how they differ from a 1073.

[colinmiller]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Geoff probably does... I think I remember seeing them around... I can't remember how they differ from a 1073.

From a picture I saw, it looked exactly like a 1073. I guess maybe some of the frequencies differ, but hard to say since I couldn't really see it very well.

[Rick Sutton]

As I understand it the 1089 is identical to a 1073 with the exception of the line (not mic) gain section of the gain switch. Where one will go up in gain with a clockwise rotation the other goes down in gain. I've heard they were a special accomodation for broadcast consoles purchased by a major organization in Spain.
I'm not an authority like Geoff Tanner but I do own a pair of 1089s and that's the story as I know it.

Or, if you're a wiseass, the difference is 16.

[Geoff_T]

Originally Posted by Rick Sutton

As I understand it the 1089 is identical to a 1073 with the exception of the line (not mic) gain section of the gain switch. Where one will go up in gain with a clockwise rotation the other goes down in gain. I've heard they were a special accomodation for broadcast consoles purchased by a major organization in Spain.
I'm not an authority like Geoff Tanner but I do own a pair of 1089s and that's the story as I know it.

Or, if you're a wiseass, the difference is 16.

Hi

Most modules for the BBC like 1070, 1079, 1089, etc., were single input. This cut down on the tie line issues from the studio floor to the control room up above in the Gods.

Some, like the 1070, had no line input at all and the mic gain was attenuated for the line input levels.

Others, like 1079, had mic and line input transformers that were switched by relays from a single input.

In every other aspect, particularly EQ, these were the same as a 1073.

I can't recall which of the two systems the 1089 used but am pretty sure, unless it was modded as many were, that it was single input also.

[Fletcher]

IIRC the 1089 was a dual input module made for the SABC that was identical to a 1073 with the exception that the gain increments went clockwise instead of anti-clockwise... but I've been wrong before, could very well be again.

[colinmiller]

Interesting. Thanks guys!

[Geoff_T]

Originally Posted by Fletcher

IIRC the 1089 was a dual input module made for the SABC that was identical to a 1073 with the exception that the gain increments went clockwise instead of anti-clockwise... but I've been wrong before, could very well be again.

Hi Fletcher

Senility may be my excuse... or it's the one I'm going to stick with.

Anyway, Sonic Circus are selling a console full of them...

http://soniccircus.com/site/amps/NEV...4Pa38Ta38LbNj0

... except that to call the console they are in an 8014 could not be further from the truth!

http://www.auroraaudio.net/aa_html/n...mages/8014.jpg

PS That's John Turner at the controls... a photo from around 37 years ago!

[colinmiller]

Looking at that picture Geoff posted, it doesn't appear from the markings that the mic pre goes backwards. I mean -20 is where it is on a 1073, -30 is where is it on a 1073, etc etc. Or am I misunderstanding something?

[Rick Sutton]

Originally Posted by colinmiller

Looking at that picture Geoff posted, it doesn't appear from the markings that the mic pre goes backwards. I mean -20 is where it is on a 1073, -30 is where is it on a 1073, etc etc. Or am I misunderstanding something?

Like I said earlier it is the Line gain only that is different than the 1073. If you rotate the gain switch counterclockwise into the line area of the switch the 1089 the gain is marked -20, -10, 0, +10.
The 1073 is +10, 0, -10, -20.

[Geoff_T]

Originally Posted by Rick Sutton

Like I said earlier it is the Line gain only that is different than the 1073. If you rotate the gain switch counterclockwise into the line area of the switch the 1089 the gain is marked -20, -10, 0, +10.
The 1073 is +10, 0, -10, -20.

Hi

I suspect, though can't be sure because it's trying to remember something from 30+ years ago, that the 1089 is like the 8.75" version of the 1070 (which in turn was based on the eq of the 1066) where it has mic input only so the gain steps reflect that.

What may be confusing to folk not accustomed to vintage Neve modules is that the numbers on the sensitivity switch (as it was called) are the input level.... so the gain of the amplifier is that needed to raise (or attenuate) that level to a 0dBu output.

So, the 1089, in real gain terms, goes +20dB, +10dB, 0dB and -10dB

While the 1073 goes -10dB, 0dB, +10dB, +20dB.

For all intents and purposes though, the 1089 will be virtually identical to the 1073.

[darynbarry]

Please buy something else. They are terrible modules. 1073's are way better. I bought some from Fletcher about 12 years ago and we use them here as paperweights! Again buy really expensive 1073's

Just kidding. As the smart people have already weighed in, I'll just parrot, other than the line switch gain reversal, there is no difference from a 1073 in actual usuage. We have both here, and use them interchangeably. The eq / filter is exactly the same. There's actually more difference between some of our 1073's (I assuming based on revision version or date of their last recap) than there is between the 1089's and 1073's

But Please don't tell anyone, they are still somewhat reasonably priced.
PS If you are in the rental game however, forget it, every moron on earth wants a 1073. Actual Quote" Me. The old 1073's are in the other room, we can use these old 1084's instead. Client No way I want to use the good Neves!"