midas venice direct outs for mixing

[kurtr2]

are there any midas venice users out there? i am using amidas venice 240 to mix songs being fed by two trak 2's (16 d/a channels going into the board). on the board im using the eq's and the effects sends along with channel inserts to outboard compressors and such. its a great solution and i just finished my first mix with it.
however- now that i have the mix on the board and can record it back into digital performer on a stereo track, i want to record each track seperately again with their independent eq's and effects levels and such. basically record back my mix track by track so i dont have to do any outboard recalls if i want to remix. this is where i am running into a little problem. i recorded the direct outs out of the first few channels and played them back. they dont seem to have the eq or the effect settings. so ok this is because the direct outs are before anything else on the channel except the preamps or line amps- right?
so any midas users out there- please- is there any way to record individual channels with their effect and eq settings out of the board, besides going out one at a time through the master outs?

you know- i just want to come out of the computer- get my mix- and then record it back in stereo and then all tracks seperately as they sound on the board....


thanks,
kurt

[Clueless]

Hmm. According to the Venice block diagram (which you can download from the Midas site if you don't have the operator's manual handy) the default Venice config for the mono channels are definitely post-EQ. There's an option (involving cutting and soldering) whether you want pre or post fader (default is post fader), but that's not the question you're asking.

[kurtr2]

oh maybe im tripping- are they post eq? well thats better then, at least i can get my sounds without effects. how would you go about mixing with effects in terms of printing them? it seems the options are to print the outputs of the effect units being fed by all channels during playback of the whole mix, but then if you changed any instrument volume levels later in a remix youd have to print the effects again. im using small ambiences alot to give room character to the instruments so my reverbs are also part of the instrument sound. if i cant print the reverb with the instrument via direct out then i have to print them each individually one by one through the master out of the board (which i'm doing right now) i was envisioning a scenario where i could eventually record my individual tracks back into the computer in one pass with each track having its own effects. to think out loud i guess the problem with that is the effects are never actually on the channel, they are at the returns, and only combine with the instrument at the master out, not the channel out. hmmm. the only way would be to have a dedicated reverb unit for each channel, now that is stupid slutty.....
thanks,
k

[Clueless]

Originally posted by kurtr2
how would you go about mixing with effects in terms of printing them? it seems the options are to print the outputs of the effect units being fed by all channels during playback of the whole mix, but then if you changed any instrument volume levels later in a remix youd have to print the effects again.
thanks,
k

If you want to combine a raw instrument with efx, you need (drumroll please...) a mixer!

If you want to have each instrument available as both the raw instrument and, via a second output, combined with efx that covers just that instrument, you need...a subgroup.

If you want to have each instrument available as both the raw instrument and, via a second output, combined with efx that covers just that instrument, across N instruments, you need N efx units, N direct outs (the venice has 8) and N subgroups (the venice has 4, and you can make Main L-R act like subgroups 5-6). And if you also want the roll-up of all the instruments and all the efx into a stereo image, you need a pair of summing outputs, such as Main L-R (which means you cannot pinch them for individual instrument+efx subgroups). With two recording passes and a bit of patching you could do 6 instrumens the first pass, 4+stereo mix in the second, for a total of 10 instruments in two passes.

If you had a 24 channel Verona, you'd have 16 DOs, 8 subgroups, 4 matrix outs (which you can also use as subgroups if you're careful), a mono channel, and Main L-R bus, meaning you could handle 13 instruments (8 + 4 + 1) each providing DO + individual EFX plus mix in one shot.

[Mr. Victory]

I know you want them individually, but how bad could the mix be if it needed a recall. Why not just print stems eg. drums + fx, BVs+ fx, GT +Fx etc...? It's better than nothing, and you'll be saving yourself from remixing everything after a full d/a>a>d conversion. It won't come back the same the way you want to do it anyway. Just my 2 cents...