POLL for RADAR users and other interested parties

[bhenderson]

We are conducting a poll for a new RADAR editing feature on the iZ forum and we need more votes to get a large enough sample size. If there are any RADAR users lurking here or other interested parties I would appreciate it if you could cast a vote. Here is the link to the POLL:


http://recordingtheworld.infopop.cc/...1&m=8791071101

Thanks in advance...

[RKrizman]

Hey Barry, as long as you've popped in here how about this question. Any chance you'll ever make the Radar converters available as stand-alones? With so many people using summing boxes now you might find there's a good market out there for appealing sounding D/A's.

-R

[drew]

it seems as if iZ thinks that when you buy a Radar you are buying converters and get a HDR for free. The new Radar V is going UP in price and when I questioned barry on it he pointed to Mytek and Prism and how much 24 channels of A/D and D/A from them would be. That's one way to look at it, if you want to stay a small manufacturer which it seems iZ has decided to do. You used to not be able to use the I/O without a hard drive mounted and spinning ( i sold my Radar last year) but if they've fixed that then just buy a Radar and don't use the free HDR!!

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by drew
[B]it seems as if iZ thinks that when you buy a Radar you are buying converters and get a HDR for free. T

Well you can think of it that way, but that's not what's happening. The fact is, you're buying a turnkey hard disk recorder. If all I need is converters I don't want to pay R&D, etc, on their HDR. Likewise, if they wished to go to market with something like this it might make sense to do it in 8 channel increments.

I don't know what it costs them to make converters, so I can't speak to the price. But as more and more people want a sophisticated editor, plugins and some sort of mix platform to go with their DAWs, I'm merely suggesting that Radar could stand to benefit greatly by making their reputedly excellent sounding converters available to a wider market. The fact that they don't says to me that the converters are being used as a draw to get people to pay an even higher price for the other stuff that makes Radar a true HDR.

Why did you sell your Radar?

-R

[drew]

exactly, if they offered just the converters full Radar system sales would plummet or they'd just charge the same money for the converters alone. I sold mine because for the type of work I do it is WAY too limited and slow and a PITA to get files in and out of. The new software and improvements on the Radar V do help considerably but I've moved on and I'm quite happy.

[cgarges]

I'm waiting for the two-track version to mix to. Or better yet, the six track version, to print mutiple mixes or stems.

Chris Garges
Charlotte, NC

[natpub]

Yeah, I could never see why IZ didn't also offer freestanding AD and DA units--they'd sell like hotcakes.

[Fletcher]

Originally posted by RKrizman
Hey Barry, as long as you've popped in here how about this question. Any chance you'll ever make the Radar converters available as stand-alones? With so many people using summing boxes now you might find there's a good market out there for appealing sounding D/A's.

See the bitch of the beast is that you need a controller to define the parameters of the converter cards... and they need to plug into an "adrenaline" board to properly route everything, which needs a motherboard which needs a ____ and a _____ and a ____... so, the "re-engineering" to do a set of stand alone converters would be pretty extensive... and the unit 24 A/D; 24 D/A would be pretty expensive. Doing it in 8 channel increments wouldn't reduce the price that greatly... you'd still need all the other boards and devices to use the damn thing which is why you've got to go the full monte to get the conversion system.

Believe me I've asked this question... this was the answer I got. When I was out at iZ last summer learning how to build these things from the ground up [we're working on being one of the facilities that will be doing the adrenaline board upgrades for the RADAR-24 system that should be released fairly soon] I learned just why a "stand alone" system wouldn't be possible... well, it would be kinda possible but it would sound as poopy as the Pro-sTools crap, or so expensive that like I said, you might as well roll the full monte... so why bother.

[ziegenh5]

I would like to see tempo maps and a metronome(click). I know there is the bars/beats thing, but without being able to change the tempo and lay down a click track it is completely useless IMO.
Sean

[laser]

Originally posted by ziegenh5
I would like to see tempo maps and a metronome(click). I know there is the bars/beats thing, but without being able to change the tempo and lay down a click track it is completely useless IMO.
Sean

+1

Barry,
I have a Radar 24 and would really like to see a metronome and a tempo map. At the very least, a metronome.

Laser

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by Fletcher
See the bitch of the beast is that you need a controller to define the parameters of the converter cards... and they need to plug into an "adrenaline" board to properly route everything, which needs a motherboard which needs a ____ and a _____ and a ____... so, the "re-engineering" to do a set of stand alone converters would be pretty extensive... and the unit 24 A/D; 24 D/A would be pretty expensive. Doing it in 8 channel increments wouldn't reduce the price that greatly... you'd still need all the other boards and devices to use the damn thing which is why you've got to go the full monte to get the conversion system.

Believe me I've asked this question... this was the answer I got. When I was out at iZ last summer learning how to build these things from the ground up [we're working on being one of the facilities that will be doing the adrenaline board upgrades for the RADAR-24 system that should be released fairly soon] I learned just why a "stand alone" system wouldn't be possible... well, it would be kinda possible but it would sound as poopy as the Pro-sTools crap, or so expensive that like I said, you might as well roll the full monte... so why bother.

What? What routing? I mean, analog comes in, digital comes out. Lightpipe, AES, whatever. I don't see how it can possibly be that complicated. Everybody does it.

The thing about outboard converters is that I don't have to deal with them. I don't want to have to even be aware of their existence insofar as that is possible. The fact that I'd have to boot up what is essentially another computer, with its own control panel, and, ...and,...well, forget it.

I mean, really, a converter is a simple thing, yes?. A good clock, quality analog electronics--what's the big mystery. Are the Radar converters doing anything other than just converting? Are there little Kobe beef masseuses inside tenderizing the audio or something? Is there some sort of plasma physics at work that can't be explained by 20th century "old" physics? Why in the world would a standalone system "sound as poopy as the Pro-sTools crap"?

Hey, they can do what they like. I'm just suggesting a way to repackage their product in a way that might sell some units and make better sounding digital recording available to more people.

I don't think they're selling converters, I think they're selling a system. As demand for that type of analog-emulation recording system declines, however, which apparently is happening, I'm guessing they might benefit from a different approach. OTOH, if business is booming and the product is earning its keep, then by all means carry on.

-R

[Revelation]

Adding color to the Waves is helpful to show you the chorus, 2nd verse etc. But since that should be pretty easy to add, put in the tempo maps at the same time.

[pan60]

yes RKrizman i am with you.

it would be kinda possible but it would sound as poopy as the Pro-sTools crap.

well that poopy PRO-TOOS crap seems to be eating up a lot of the market for better or worse

if we were all so close minded we would be recording on a wax cylinder.

''poopy PRO-TOOS'' is not a comment like that somewhat small minded thats like saying rock is poopy, jazz is poopy, country, or blues every one is entitled to there opinion good or bad. i am not defending PT just posting my opinion