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Hey all,

I consider to buy Mogami cables for my outboards in rack (AMEK DMCL-SPL Qure-Manley Slam-Apogee Rosetta 200). So, I need top quality interconnections incl. one digital cable.

Can you recommend which Mogami to choose and where to buy custom lengths at good price (I have one addres now - hotwired) ?

Also, is it recommendable to change Monster Cables 500 series (after many criticism heard from various users) even if they are very short in may other rack (20 inches or so).

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for digital Mogami (AES/EBU cable) the Neglex 3080 is the choice
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May I recommend the quad cable for annalog.


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May I recommend the quad cable for annalog.


The quad has very high capacitance, some people say it really messes up the sound.
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The quad has very high capacitance, some people say it really messes up the sound.
I've found it to be quiet and saturated for balanced signals.
But maybe others have had issues with it.
FWIW I actually like the Gepco quad better than Mogami in terms of the wire itself, shield and drain wire. But the Mogami has that unbeatable flexy.
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Get the 2549 cable, I use it for the mics and all outboard connections. 2549 and Neutrik connectors, set it up and be done with it.

Happy soldering!

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2549 for mic lines
2552 for line level stuff
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Hotwired does a real nice job. A little bit pricey, but its the shipping that usually stops me in my tracks. Their work is very nice though

I havent used Redco for already assembled cable, but I have found them to be great for raw materials.

I have also used FullCompass when the time arises whereby I am making another order and need cable/connectors. However, I havent used Full Compass (or Markertek) for assembled cables.
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2549 because of the massive size of the conductors!
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Gyang,

If you have read my post on Monster cables sucking, then you already know that I have to replace all of the Monsters in my studio, which includes 1000 and 500 series XLRs, 1000 series intrument cables, 500 series 16 track RCA to 1/4 snake and all the outboard with the Monster 500 series interconnets!

I am so dfegad about it, that I want to scream!

However, we all have to take losses and in the end if it makes us wiser it is then worth getting the painful education on what not to repeat.

SNAKE OIL anyone?
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This is becoming a challenging thread for me.
I have been using Mogami 2534 and Gepco quad for mic, balanced, and custom patches. But now I wonder if I am at risk of phase problems. So with a little searching I found this

White Paper
I see quad mentioned, mostly just the proerties of capacitance and resistance.
Any other research on quad cable?
I'd hate to tear everything out.
But maybe I need an excuse to re-work my room.
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Thanx guys for suggestions.

I have studio fully loaded of Monsters 500 and 1000. I tried some Van der Hull cables and difference is subtle, but noticable.
So, I decided gradually to change all cables (first at most critical parts).
Fortunatelly, I have guy ready to buy Monsters at 50% of price I paid, so I am happy with the deal (in total I lost 2500 $).
It is strange, but how might happened that 50 $/piece analog cable turned to be such crap?

Any other reliable source for Mogami (custom assembled)?
Is there any difference between Switchcraft and Neutrik?

Good luck to all.
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I'm in process of rewireing everything (patchaby, digital, analog ALL O F IT) with Mogami 3080 AES 110 Ohm.

Solders great and sounds great - it's a fixed location so runs don't go too long.

I'd like to hear more about issues from you guys about using AES for analog.

I'm guessing the Mic's --> Pre might be a problem going with the 3080.

Be interesting to hear any input about any part of using 3080 (or any AES cable) in the analog world that you guys may have had or heard of.

To me so far it seems to sound tight with much better highs and no problems with bass so....
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Call Scott at Studiowiring.com he's the guy that installed A&M studios back in the day and he's the one that chose Mogami; He sells the stuff for a good price. I just made my out-board snake Tuchels to XLR's using Mogami 2588.

I have switched almost all my Mic cables over to Mogami 2534 and only use the Monster I purchased along time ago if I'm forced to.

QUAD NOTE: I believe you are good up to 20-25' with regards to capacitance issues.

You can get your tubing and webbing from him too.
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Any thoughts or opinions on Canare StarQuad 4E6S ?

I have built several interconnects using the above with Neutrik Gold XLR's and RCA's and am very happy with the results. I am open if there are better cables out there?

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Be interesting to hear any input about any part of using 3080 (or any AES cable) in the analog world that you guys may have had or heard of.

To me so far it seems to sound tight with much better highs and no problems with bass so....
Interesting point.

I found that Mogami 2549 (for mic) fulfilled my expectations for all analogue interconnections (mic and line level).
Anyhow, Canare was chosen for digital.
I have no idea how impendance of digital cables impacts a sound of connected devices, but in one short test I didn't hear any difference.
It's obvious that digital cables provide more bandwidth, but how it relates to analogue domain, no idea.

Who knows, maybe it will be a next step in improving analogue cabling approach.
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It's obvious that digital cables provide more bandwidth, but how it relates to analogue domain, no idea.
I had a couple extra long Apogee Wydeeye AES cables I wasn't using so I changed the connectors on one end to TRS and trimmed it to run from my monitor outs to my power amp.

I noticed a touch more clarity in the top end... it's probably the difference between copper and whatever silver wire the Wydeeye is.. it sounded good, so i kept it there.


klotz cable everywhere else...
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Try ABX testing instead of AB testing.

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Quote:
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I'm in process of rewireing everything (patchaby, digital, analog ALL O F IT) with Mogami 3080 AES 110 Ohm.

Solders great and sounds great - it's a fixed location so runs don't go too long.

I'd like to hear more about issues from you guys about using AES for analog.
I'm very interested as well in hearing about people's experiences with the 3080 cable for analog runs. Right now I have a lot of 2552, 2549 and the Quad.


thanks,
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A bit more 3080 added in the chain and something wonderful is happening; my highs are opening up so much that on a film I'm working on I had to notch up the 902 (dBx desser) to cut more silibants.

Could be "next day" syndrome where I didn't catch it last night but I don't think that's the case. I mean how could I miss that?

I'm REALLY trying to stay on top of the subjective "active suggestion" thing where you THINK it's better because you "did" something or "added" something, so I don't that's the case.

I'm starting to hear the high freq so much more that I'm hearing the hi "hash" and white noise in the actors feeds (mics). Now to be fair (I know - I know - it's waaaaaaay not scientific) I'm not saying this is all a good thing. I'm a little worried that maybe it's "top heavy" but the bass is still there and seems a little tighter. Oh God it's just a few strands of copper! I mean how much CAN it do!?

I've been burned by Monster in the past and drifted into the mentality that as long as it's fairly good quality cable and copper like, say, your average Belden it's all the same.

But with every few feet of this cable I add it seems to get better and better. I just ordered another 250' from Markertek.

I'll keep you posted if I'm off kilter here but so far, so good!
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What's up with the Canare star quad? Been thinking about building my own cables too. Any good?
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