Focal Twins

[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by Bitfiend

venture what you like.

Real Traps are incredible, if it's in your budget, definitely get them! You also may want to look into diffusion as well.

I Have a very nice treated control room thank you, and I'm not slagging the barefoots, but I think the focals are excellent speakers, and I stand by what I said before, if you can't mix on them you can't mix

[Bitfiend]

Originally Posted by DSD_Mastering

Because the Twins are that good! They beg to be compared to monitors twice or even three times their price.

Regards,
Bruce

Holy Shite, right, that's it for me lads. i'm going back to the pool........

[Bitfiend]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

I Have a very nice treated control room thank you, and I'm not slagging the barefoots, but I think the focals are excellent speakers, and I stand by what I said before, if you can't mix on them you can't mix

damn, guess i can't mix then......oh well, guess i'll have to go back to underwaterbasketweaving.......sigh...

[u b k]

Originally Posted by Bitfiend

seriously you're proving my point.....the truest representation of the music with the highest transparency is what the 2 brands i mentioned bring to the table NOT focals.

barefoots sound absolutely nothing like westlakes, which means they can't both be bringing 'highest transparency'.

to my ears, barefoots have a definite sound, and it involves a big old bump at 40hz, some scoop around 800, and a little shine at 12k. focals got their bumps and scoops too, every monitor i've ever used does.

i just spent an afternoon in a room with barefoots, twins, pelonis, griffins, dyns, mackies, and atc's, half of which i already had experience with. listened with 6 other engineers, 2 acousticians, and a speaker designer, switching with a calibrated dangerous switcher.

all agreed: no such thing as a truth box. each one gives you an angle; no angle is inherently superior, it has to jibe with the operator.

pick the angle that works for you, and get to work.


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[Bitfiend]

Originally Posted by u b k

barefoots sound absolutely nothing like westlakes, which means they can't both be bringing 'highest transparency'.

where did i EVER say they "sound" alike????? and HELL YES they can both be more transparent than focals (wording on that doesn't sound right).

Originally Posted by u b k

i just spent an afternoon in a room with barefoots, twins, pelonis, griffins, dyns, mackies, and atc's, half of which i already had experience with. listened with 6 other engineers, 2 acousticians, and a speaker designer, switching with a calibrated dangerous switcher.
all agreed: no such thing as a truth box. each one gives you an angle; no angle is inherently superior, it has to jibe with the operator.

well, we'll have to agree to disagree then. Barefoots stand head and shoulders above what you've mentioned. we did the same thing with adams, focals, gen's, barefoots and k&h, and the barefoots tested the best and the focals the worst.

[u b k]

Originally Posted by Bitfiend

where did i EVER say they "sound" alike?????

maybe i'm having a conceptual difficulty, but if two things are transparently recreating a source, they should sound roughly identical, i.e., they should sound like the source.

so if two monitors are giving me two sounds, they can't both be transparent; at least one has some coloration.

when you say "these tested best" and "these tested worse", i'm taking that to mean "we liked these best" and "we liked these least".


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[DJamesGoody]

This is hilarious!!

Do you guys ever get any work done?

I mean that lovingly, of course

[polybonk]

The Idea that one is objectively better than the other is crazy. It depends what your response the speaker is. A better sounding speaker may cause you to work in a way that doesn't suite what you are trying to achieve. A shitty sounding speaker may be just the ticket if you end up producing things that work well. With myself for example, I work really well with beryllium and not as well with silk dome tweeters. It really depends on what the speaker brings out in you.

For pure listening, well thats different then.

Ditch your Ipod with its ear buds and get a Lavry gold DA and a B&W nautilus!