what would you like in next gen Digi releases?

dannygold · 15th May 2008

I'll start us out:

More than 5 segment level LEDS on HD audio interfaces.

**TonyBelmont** · 15th May 2008

An un-handicapped LE system would be a good start.

robcap · 15th May 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygold

I'll start us out:

More than 5 segment level LEDS on HD audio interfaces.

in addition, how about ditching LEDs everywhere (interfaces and consoles please) and replace with OLEDS - already on Euphonix and Fairlight products and they look great! While they are at it, go to FPGAs and ditch the DSPs...

A way to batch spot numerous files at once from the region list to the timeline so each file snaps to the original time stamp.

Dean Roddey · 15th May 2008

I would think, given the complaints about how long it's been since a major overhaul, and the huge amount of processing that a quad or dual quad machine can process (without the 24 bit limits), that they should be working hard to get a major new version of the system out or they may be in danger of irrelevance before too much longer. They still have a leg up of course, because it's a good system and has a lot of mind share and some of the biggest plugin manufacturers only support their system. But that can only go so far as native systems get more and more powerful every quarter, if not every month.

andygomez · 15th May 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

An un-handicapped LE system would be a good start.

Or fully native Pro Tools HD usable with any audio interface. I would even settle for just a soundcard with 32 digital I/O.. no TDM all native with built in DSP cue mix system like RME Totalmix except all you ever see is Pro Tools

Fletcher · 15th May 2008

Lower latency and better [spelled "d-e-c-e-n-t"] audio quality would be a start...

DJamesGoody · 15th May 2008

a hot key to select playlists, instead of constantly scrolling with a mouse.

a 24 channel control surface with no monitor section and no mic pres, for about 4k.

DJamesGoody · 15th May 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletcher

Lower latency and better [spelled "d-e-c-e-n-t"] audio quality would be a start...

Oh yeah, like Pro Tools sounds awful..... I love tape as much as the next guy, but come on.

vanrobr · 15th May 2008

Unlimited tracks in both LE and HD,
and more I/0 on the overpriced interfaceses

dannygold · 15th May 2008

I'm sure one thing we CAN count on is the next gen boxes (HD at least) will have better converters. Converters always get better and cheaper as time goes on. At least that's my opinion. If fletcher feels pro tools sounds bad for some other reason (summing, whatever) that's a whole nother kettle of worms.

youngmain · 15th May 2008

Just give LE options like a track count up to 96, ADC, and PDC, even if it means paying an upgrade fee for it. I feel like such a slut for saying this but digidesign beens pimping from the begining anyways.

Stiff · 15th May 2008

I want everything to be a little more modular than it is today hardware wise. That's the main thing for me. I also feel that the hardware could use some overall upgrades. Software wise I would kill for a better piano roll. The current one will make me take my own life one day. Less errors and shit... But all DAWs need that. A little more CPU friendly + more powerful DSP. Other than that just small crap like shortcuts for playlists and such. Oh, and the uncrippling of LE or even removal of it.

uncle duncan · 15th May 2008

OMF/AAF file import/export as an included feature, so it would be comparable - and compatible - with every other DAW known to man. However, I think they should leave LE exactly the way it is, (after adding OMF/AAF) so native DAW's can continue to compete. When there's no competition, there's no innovation, or so they say.

EvilE · 15th May 2008

here are a few. for us LE users:

1. automatic PLUG IN DELAY COMPENSATION......I mean really....what the hell?

2. better A/D conversion (for LE and HD)

3. playlist toggle key command!!

4. OFFLINE BOUNCING!!!!

EvilE · 15th May 2008

oh yeah, and a piano roll EXACTLY like reason's. I love that thing.

SoundEng1 · 15th May 2008

Stop nickel and dimeing us for all the things that every other app includes in their packages.

Mount Cyanide · 15th May 2008

I'd like the joyous euphoria of crystal meth
without the addiction thing.

Dan · 16th May 2008

1. Enough processing to track/mix at 96k, with an hd 3. Even if I want to use the MDW EQ on 48 tracks, and have 4 instances of TL space long, true stereo. (ok, I never use that much eq, but including stuff like pitchblender.. yada yada.

2. Open the mixer plug-in to 3rd parties. So much complaining, and yet so many possibilities. Where's my Neve mixer emulation?

3. 24 channel I/O box.

4. DXD?

lefthando · 16th May 2008

Multiple clipboards

Folders in the region list.

SighBorg · 16th May 2008

A midrange non-DSP system with proper delay compensation that will work with UAD & session import features from HD. Oh and at least 16 tracks that all go up to 96K.

TVPostSound · 16th May 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

An un-handicapped LE system would be a good start.

That would be an HD system!

The Beatsmith · 16th May 2008

a native HD system that will work with any audio interface, and works with their control surfaces...

i'd use that to mix instead of logic, then...

Brendan · 16th May 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilE

3. playlist toggle key command!!

I'm with you on that.

I also wonder why we can't mute, solo and record enable with key commands.

leebridges · 16th May 2008

let's all just pray to the DIGI gods that they announce some stuff at NAMM in June and it includes atleast 1 or 2 of these features.

you think they're gonna get on the touchscreen bandwagon for a control surface? maybe control surface / interface package as a "core." i don't think i'd jump on, but...just sayin. you know someone is working on it.

ChuckG · 16th May 2008

8 pres on the next line of 00 products, instead of four preamps and four DIs.

barryjohns · 16th May 2008

A new Button that says "Accept Me As I Am or Quietly Move to a New Neighborhood".

Kadden Heart · 16th May 2008

maybe i'm alone on this but,...
(since i'm sure we won't get ADC in LE...)

i'd like numbers on my damn faders,...
what i'd REALLY like to see,..would be VU meters right above each fader,..sure this would be hard, but maybe the tracks can be widened ever so slightly to accomodate one.

i'm tired of having to insert a meter on tracks to see my RMS, Peak etc...

besides that,..the obvious stuff:

ADC!!!
support for some other hardware,..maybe even the m-audio interfaces without having ot run m-powered?
or at least make the 0012 with 12 pres, or even 8 for that matter.
I WANT I/O WITHOUT GOING HD

Idiophonic · 16th May 2008

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that LE DOES have Automatic Delay Compensation. The difference is you cannot turn it on and off or configure any of the other parameters of it as you can with HD. (I think that's why so many people don't know it is there.)
I was on an HD rig the other day an experimented with the delay compensation turned off. I was surprised to hear DRAMATIC phase shifts on a track that was delayed by only 3 samples! Larger delays (1000s of samples) began to sound like a slapback delay. If the LE systems were not compensating for delay, we would all be EXTREMELY dissatisfied customers.

(I know that my M-powered version 7.4 on Leopard does not display this uncompensated behavior...)

Kadden Heart · 16th May 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idiophonic

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that LE DOES have Automatic Delay Compensation. The difference is you cannot turn it on and off or configure any of the other parameters of it as you can with HD. (I think that's why so many people don't know it is there.)
I was on an HD rig the other day an experimented with the delay compensation turned off. I was surprised to hear DRAMATIC phase shifts on a track that was delayed by only 3 samples! Larger delays (1000s of ms) began to sound like a slapback delay. If the LE systems were not compensating for delay, we would all be EXTREMELY dissatisfied customers.

(I know that my M-powered version 7.4 on Leopard does not display this uncompensated behavior...)

i do believe you're right,..but it's only up to like,..half the hardware buffer size or something.
most of my small plugs sound fine,...but something like drumagog gives me noticeable delay (forget teh sample delay sorry)
vintage wamer gives me 1K sample delay and it's also VERY noticeable, as well as things like my liquid mix, PSP stuff.

so i should revise:
i demand: FULL ADC in LE. (equivalent to HD)

Idiophonic · 16th May 2008

That is interesting, and it sounds about right. (I need to try some more extreme plugs, it sounds like!) However, HD ADC also has an upper limit to how much it can compensate that varies depending on user settings. I think the max ADC you can achieve with HD rigs is around 6000 samples. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong!)

15th May 2008	#1
dannygold Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,848 Thread Starter	what would you like in next gen Digi releases? I'll start us out: More than 5 segment level LEDS on HD audio interfaces. __________________ Danny Gold

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Dean Roddey Gear Guru Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 10,907 2 Reviews written	I would think, given the complaints about how long it's been since a major overhaul, and the huge amount of processing that a quad or dual quad machine can process (without the 24 bit limits), that they should be working hard to get a major new version of the system out or they may be in danger of irrelevance before too much longer. They still have a leg up of course, because it's a good system and has a lot of mind share and some of the biggest plugin manufacturers only support their system. But that can only go so far as native systems get more and more powerful every quarter, if not every month. __________________ Dean Roddey Chairman/CTO Charmed Quark Systems, Ltd www.charmedquark.com Be a control freak!

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DJamesGoody Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Woodstock, NY Posts: 1,425	a hot key to select playlists, instead of constantly scrolling with a mouse. a 24 channel control surface with no monitor section and no mic pres, for about 4k. __________________ ------- D. James Goodwin www.djamesgoodwin.com religion kills Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists precisely in this; that he does good not because he is forced to do so, but because he freely conceives it, wants it, and loves it. - Mikhail Bakunin

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Stiff Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,750	I want everything to be a little more modular than it is today hardware wise. That's the main thing for me. I also feel that the hardware could use some overall upgrades. Software wise I would kill for a better piano roll. The current one will make me take my own life one day. Less errors and shit... But all DAWs need that. A little more CPU friendly + more powerful DSP. Other than that just small crap like shortcuts for playlists and such. Oh, and the uncrippling of LE or even removal of it. __________________ Daily news & reviews ProToolerBlog.com

15th May 2008	#13
uncle duncan Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,585	OMF/AAF file import/export as an included feature, so it would be comparable - and compatible - with every other DAW known to man. However, I think they should leave LE exactly the way it is, (after adding OMF/AAF) so native DAW's can continue to compete. When there's no competition, there's no innovation, or so they say. __________________ "You're either with a native DAW, or you're with the terrorists." G.W. Busch Lite

15th May 2008	#2
TonyBelmont Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boston,MA Providence,RI Posts: 15,753	An un-handicapped LE system would be a good start.

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Fletcher member no 666 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 9,464	Lower latency and better [spelled "d-e-c-e-n-t"] audio quality would be a start...

15th May 2008	#9
vanrobr Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 51	Unlimited tracks in both LE and HD, and more I/0 on the overpriced interfaceses

15th May 2008	#11
youngmain Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cowboy California Posts: 529	Just give LE options like a track count up to 96, ADC, and PDC, even if it means paying an upgrade fee for it. I feel like such a slut for saying this but digidesign beens pimping from the begining anyways.

15th May 2008	#14
EvilE Gear maniac Join Date: May 2008 Location: DC/Balt Posts: 167	here are a few. for us LE users: 1. automatic PLUG IN DELAY COMPENSATION......I mean really....what the hell? 2. better A/D conversion (for LE and HD) 3. playlist toggle key command!! 4. OFFLINE BOUNCING!!!!

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SoundEng1 Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Deep End Posts: 1,327	Stop nickel and dimeing us for all the things that every other app includes in their packages.

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Mount Cyanide Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: La Villa de Atwater de Los Angeles, CA Posts: 429	I'd like the joyous euphoria of crystal meth without the addiction thing.

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Dan Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,648	1. Enough processing to track/mix at 96k, with an hd 3. Even if I want to use the MDW EQ on 48 tracks, and have 4 instances of TL space long, true stereo. (ok, I never use that much eq, but including stuff like pitchblender.. yada yada. 2. Open the mixer plug-in to 3rd parties. So much complaining, and yet so many possibilities. Where's my Neve mixer emulation? 3. 24 channel I/O box. 4. DXD? __________________ Rent some gear in Dallas! Stay classy, planet Earth.

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lefthando Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kits Beach Posts: 377	Multiple clipboards Folders in the region list.

16th May 2008	#20
SighBorg Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 484	A midrange non-DSP system with proper delay compensation that will work with UAD & session import features from HD. Oh and at least 16 tracks that all go up to 96K. __________________ "The 160VU is like ordering a nice drink but instead of serving you a drink, the waiter punches you in the face........." -nlc201

16th May 2008	#22
The Beatsmith Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,389	a native HD system that will work with any audio interface, and works with their control surfaces... i'd use that to mix instead of logic, then...

16th May 2008	#24
leebridges Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nashville Posts: 425	let's all just pray to the DIGI gods that they announce some stuff at NAMM in June and it includes atleast 1 or 2 of these features. you think they're gonna get on the touchscreen bandwagon for a control surface? maybe control surface / interface package as a "core." i don't think i'd jump on, but...just sayin. you know someone is working on it. __________________ lee http://www.leebridges.com for credits and samples, visit my site and enjoy for the blog, visit here http://www.leebridges.com/blog

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ChuckG Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 103	8 pres on the next line of 00 products, instead of four preamps and four DIs. __________________ Seeing a therapist for my microphone buying habit....

16th May 2008	#26
barryjohns Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,038	A new Button that says "Accept Me As I Am or Quietly Move to a New Neighborhood".

16th May 2008	#27
Kadden Heart Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orlando/San Fernando Valley Posts: 796	maybe i'm alone on this but,... (since i'm sure we won't get ADC in LE...) i'd like numbers on my damn faders,... what i'd REALLY like to see,..would be VU meters right above each fader,..sure this would be hard, but maybe the tracks can be widened ever so slightly to accomodate one. i'm tired of having to insert a meter on tracks to see my RMS, Peak etc... besides that,..the obvious stuff: ADC!!! support for some other hardware,..maybe even the m-audio interfaces without having ot run m-powered? or at least make the 0012 with 12 pres, or even 8 for that matter. I WANT I/O WITHOUT GOING HD __________________ "can we make the guitar louder,..and the snare, and kick,..and maybe the bass to, oh and the vocals, and maybe bring up the cymbals a little bit"

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Idiophonic Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 116	ADC in LE Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that LE DOES have Automatic Delay Compensation. The difference is you cannot turn it on and off or configure any of the other parameters of it as you can with HD. (I think that's why so many people don't know it is there.) I was on an HD rig the other day an experimented with the delay compensation turned off. I was surprised to hear DRAMATIC phase shifts on a track that was delayed by only 3 samples! Larger delays (1000s of samples) began to sound like a slapback delay. If the LE systems were not compensating for delay, we would all be EXTREMELY dissatisfied customers. (I know that my M-powered version 7.4 on Leopard does not display this uncompensated behavior...)

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