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9th April 2008
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| Gear interested Joined: Mar 2008
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Thread Starter | Im steppin up my gear. need lots of help. please read.need very experienced feedback.
HEY i am new to GS .. this infact is my first thread.. but i have been reading the post for months,..,. and theyre are alot of great engineers on here.. so i have a few questions. and im lookin for feedback oppinions and advice. i run my own studio... but i am movin to a bigger location and looking to step up my gear. i have done alot of research and now i am looking for educated oppinions....... i will post up a list of what i have .. and a few list of what i am lookin to buy.. i mostly do hip-hop rap,, r&b and country vocals. and my set up geared towards vocals. i have a neumann tlm103, ART TPS II , which i am gettin rid of PRESONUS firepod which i might keep just for all the channels M AUDIO BX5a's which i am getting rid of all wired with mogami and monster cables i am lookin to pick up either a apogee rosetta. or a LYNX aurora A/D D/A converter. which ever i get the best deal on. and then adding a firewire card... yamaha ns-10's monitors.. for $600 alesis monitor 2's ..... for $400 im debating over getting the presonus central station or presonus monitor station which is better quality? and as far as pre amps. i was kinda lookin to get a UA la 610 for a tube pre but after reading alot of the reviews on here im kinda shakey...lol i dont want the VT 737,, cuz everyone in my area has one and i dont think its all that great for the price.. and i dont have enuff money to get a LA2... and i am also interested in the Manley single channel and i have heard good things about the SUMMIT AUDIO 2ba 221 .. but i am afriad theyre are too many variables in it.. and it will take me for ever to get it rite., lol and for solid state preamps i am interested in the a designs pacifica vintech x73 neve 1073.... but im pretty sure thats outta my price range at this time does anybody have any feedback on these 2? manley tnt api A2D and last but not least MIC's. like i said i have a tlm 103 which is pretty good. very natural sound i would like to have at least 2 mics that for different voices.. i have thought about selling my tlm103 for a tlm49 can any body tell me if theres a big quality diffence between the 2. and would the upgrade be worth it.. and i want to get a tube condenser mic..... cant afford the sony c800g. plus i have a friend who has one and theres always problems with it.. i have been interested in either getting....... mojave audio MA-200 or a peluso 22 47. but i would like to know the difference between the vacume tube and the standard tube model..................... and if any one else has a suggestion on a tube mic. between $1000-$2000 ballpark..... i know its alot. with alot of choices. answer and speak on what ever u feel compelled to. all feedback is very appreciated... i hope i get alot of post with good info,..,,.. thanx ahead for answering those questions.... cheers. |
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9th April 2008
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Aug 2003
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I´m asking myself how this is high end...  |
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9th April 2008
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| Gear addict Joined: Dec 2004
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I have used the tlm 103 for five years or something, sold the two I had six years ago. I still have in the studio where I work but let a friend of mine borrow it since It never gets used. Recently I have recorded a lot of hiphop, I think the sony 800 is a great microphone but personally I get more attitude from a u87. The tlm 103 is flat in comparison. I like the color but it lacks depth. My advice is to uppgrade where will notice it the most. If I had your equipment, some money and a upcoming recording/mix I would without hesitation buy a new microphone first. No matter what you buy It will always be the major problem to me. Then I would without hesitation go for a new preamp, I like api when it comes to a lot of things and especially hip hop. I have used a lot of preamps. I have my a vintage design ca73, pacifica and avalon 737, I will never sell my api's. They have lots of attitude, kind of cold and fat at the same time. I would probably go for something else If I liked Sting or recorded classical music. I think your converters are a tiny part of your problem. If you spend money on ad/da's and keep the tlm 103 I think you're doing a big misstake this point. Try the Api 2ch with DA if you go for api. I would not like to mix hip hop with ONLY a pair of ns10. They tell you a lot about the midrange but you definately need something bigger to hear the kick/bass. Genlec 8040 is kind of OK and they are pretty cheap. Then I would buy a compressor to track trough. This is pretty important to me when recording hiphop. The reason is that most people perform much better when they hear themselfs through the compressor. Its also way more fun when listening back to what's recorded. The best compressors I've tried for this is the mc77 and the distressor. The mc77 is a bit fatter and has more mojo, the distressor has some kind of midrange thing going on that I sometimes can't stand but for hiphop I like it. The "nuke" function is great sometimes. The dist 3 is cool. The last thing that I really would consider is a pair of great headphones. I like the Beyerdynamic dt 770pro because they have a lot of bass, very hifi and sound better then most things actually sound. Not a good thing when It comes to monitors but to a singer it can be very flattering. I I would upgrade in this order, If I did not mix myself I would probably buy the compressor before the monitors. I know not a lot of people will agree though... |
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9th April 2008
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| Gear interested Joined: Mar 2008
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i thought this belonged in "high end" because the equipment i am looking into is all high end,,,. if im not mistaken..... @steffo.. thanx for the feedbackk. and yes i do alot of mixing.... i know the ns10's are great in midrange... thats why i also bought a pain or alesis monitor two's they are 10 inch .... and i have heard that api... are great for hip-hop... and i just odered a distressor in sweetwater few days ago. i forgot to list that...... and the tlm103. so i should swap it out? or no? i know everybody recomends the u87.. and its a great mic. but i dont think its worth the money.,..,. imho... and yes i have 2 pair of those headphones... theryre great. anybody else have any input? |
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9th April 2008
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It is not a microphone that impress people. I would pick it before a u47/67 if I only could pick one vocal microphone. If you don't notice a major upgrade from the tlm 103 after a month of recording I'd be very surpriced. At first I did not understand what's special about the U87, I still don't but a keep picking it over other more expensive microphones.. That makes it worth the money to me.. |
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9th April 2008
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| Gear interested Joined: Mar 2008
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imma look in to that... maybe ill rent .. and check to see what i like best |
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9th April 2008
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| Gear nut Joined: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego
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Look at the Neve 1073DPA and AMS 4081 before buying a Vintech. The Pacifica is a great alternative. sometimes it kills the Neve. Lynx converters are great for the money. If you want low end go with an Apogee Rosetta 800 192KHZ in place of a Lynx Converter.
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Jan 2006 Location: New York City
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First NS-10s sound great with a good amp and sound like piss with a bad one. Alesis monitor 2s aren't a good choice. You should get dynaudio bm5a or something like that. A minimum for a good amp is a used Bryston 3b or an Adcom gfa 545/555 (original / not II).. those are the cheapest. Peluso is ok. You need more mics. There isn't one mic that works for everything. You need dynamics, cheap mics and pricey ones. Just keep collecting. You'll have to try things out for yourself. Dealers will let you do this. You need to figure out a way to make it work. You'll need a good compressor if you do alot of vocal recording. The one thing people can't do is help you figure out what sounds you like. Don't feel like this all has to be done in one shot. Good Luck!  Quote:
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10th April 2008
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| Gear interested Joined: Mar 2008
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and i would really like a 1073... and i checkd out the ams. 4081 and im sure its a wonderful pre.. but i dont need that many high quality channels at this time. and it is way outta my price range for a pre... imma spend like 1800 at very most. also ive hear nothin but good about the pacifica.. if you could tell why u would pick these other pre's b4 the vintech...? and yeah i really wan t a lyxn but i can afford one at full price wit the firewire card, so i will try to get wat ever at the best deal for now. cuz im not satisfited wit the presonus convertion at all. thanx.,..,,. | |
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10th April 2008
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| Gear interested Joined: Mar 2008
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and i just recently ordered a distressor,,,,,,as my comp....... so recording hip-hop. and r&b vocals..... which type of pre amp is more inportant and practical and (better) ? a solid state pre or a tube pre? im almost positive imma pick myself up one of the mojave ma 200..... thanx for the helpp. much appreciated.. any other input guys?? | |
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10th April 2008
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| Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2008 Location: The Desert
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If you're gonna keep the TLM-103, then the 737 might not be a bad idea - that mic sounds pretty good through that preamp. Anyway, definitely get SOMETHING to smooth it out/warm it up a bit if you plan on using it on vocals, otherwise it can be really sibilant. Unlike a lot of people on this forum, i like that mic a lot, but not necessarily for vocal purposes - have only found one instance where it was the "right" mic for a particular vocal purpose (male/industrial metal - the guy liked the edge it imparted vs about six other mics we tried). Best of luck in your upgrades! |
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10th April 2008
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Dude you've dismissed 2 of the *MOST* used piece of equipment in the hip hop/RnB recording history. Your friend has problem with his c800G? Then he's a dumba**s, Cuz i own one for like 2 years and I never had a single problem.I just replaced the tube when i needed to.You don't think the 737 sound good?? Did you even tried it??Which mic did you use? Sounds good to me with the c800g and u87..In fact i think is one of the best mid priced channel strips! Sound better than ua610, that's for sure! lol the tlm103 sounds very natural fuuck I agree.. this thread doesn't belong to hi end dfegad |
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