Apogee Rosetta 800 - Problem With Latency (tracking)

[justinmichael]

Is anyone else having latency issues with the apogee rosetta?

I recently upgraded from a Rosetta 200 with an X-Firewire Card to an Apogee Rosetta 800 with Symphony System because I was experiencing tracking latency.

It cost me close to $2000 for the major upgrade and I am still experiencing latency..

I am running Logic Pro 7 with a Mac Pro 2.66 Ghz Dual Core Intel Xeon and 5 GB's of Ram. My I/O Buffer is set at 64.

Is anyone else experiencing this? Can anyone help?
Its getting a little frustrating to keep having to move tracks forward to sync them up with the rest of the song.

[solidstate]

Very strange.. You shouldn't ear any latency even at 128.Does the problem occur only with that specific project? Are you recording the audio on the system HD or you use a separate HD? If yes internal or external? Have you updated the firmware of the rosetta? Which version of osx are you running? 14.11 includes core audio fixes. Do you have any other pcie card installed? If yes try to remove everything and try only with monitor,mouse, keyboard and the rosetta. Try to reapair permission as well and make sure that the latest version of logic 7 is installed . Also check if you have any high latency plug ins(such as uad-1/duende/powercore)on the track you're going to record. Create a new song and try again. Don't forget to enable pdc. If you're still experiencing latency contact apogee.

[tiny333]

i have a rossetta 800

your problem seems strange?

how does this latency occur are you recording against tracks and then the recorded tracks are out of time??

what program r u using logic?

got ant plugging in the recorded tracks?

??

[justinmichael]

Originally Posted by solidstate

Very strange.. You shouldn't ear any latency even at 128.Do you have any high latency plug ins(such as uad-1/duende/powercore)on the track you're going to record?

No plugins on the track at all...


for example, when i am recording BG Vocals/Harmonies... after they are tracked.. I keep having to hand move them to the left in the arrangment window and get them lined up as best I can..

its very frustrating... makes me want to buy a Protools HD rig or even a Crane Song Hedd... not even 100% sure these would solve the issue.. but i would imagine they might..

[justinmichael]

Originally Posted by tiny333

how does this latency occur are you recording against tracks and then the recorded tracks are out of time??

yes.. when I am recording against tracks the recorded track is out of time..
ie: recording BG Vocals or a Guitar Solo.. etc

Originally Posted by tiny333

what program r u using logic?

yes.. logic Pro 7

Originally Posted by tiny333

got ant plugging in the recorded tracks?

No plugins at all

[deuc647]

Set your buffers to 32

[sevendaysoff]

this was already asked but are you recording on the same harddrive your system boots too? If so thats probably your problem.

[Gone]

I have no latency issues with my 800. It is not the converter.



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[barryjohns]

You know, I set my system up last night, with a Rosetta 800 and Symphony. At first I was getting latency issues, about a second or so. I was shocked. I went through various troubleshooting in the Audio setup in Logic 8. Reset my Rosetta to factory settings. Selected Independent Audio Monitoring (For Record Enabled Channel Strips) and Software Monitoring, Delay Compensation (All), and a buffer of 32. One of the above fixed everything. Also reinstalled the newest Symphony Drivers.

I get no latency now, none at all. Tracking through plugs and all. Does your XSymphony Card have the most recent driver? Is your Jumper set correctly on your Symphony Card? Are your connections secure on your Symphony Card and XSymphony Card? Rebooted?

Try all of that, if you can't figure it out. Call Apogee tomorrow, they're committed to customer service. I'm sure they can help you figure it out.

I have to ask, you don't have any plugs on your Master Fader do you that add a lot of latency? You're not tracking through any UAD or Powercore plugs, Liquid Mix, anything that is a Firewire I/O or PCI plugin device?

All of these are not good to track through. They add too much latency. On my first session last night, I put a Distressor as an I/O insert on the Vox channel and couldn't hear any latency at all. I was shocked, started chocking on some words that I've typed here in the past. If there was latency, I sure couldn't hear it.

Anyway, you'll get it worked out. Just give Apogee a call. If you don't get it worked out. PM me, I'll try to help, we can learn together......

FWIW, I did get more than my share of bugs in a very simple session last night with Logic 8 though. I am hopeful! I mean, I really have to be at this point.

[BrunoBellatin]

Hi i have the x-firewire card, in my rosetta 800, im mixing a 30 something track song full of loops and my option card leds start blinking and everything goes down, it crashes...
i got some messages at the start of having hardware incompatibilities, then i unplugged all hardware and just left the roseta, but its still going nuts... do you think it could be that my drive is not fast enought to pull all the recorded loops...
Im in logic at the moment, im switching back to cubase anytime soon, as im getting cubase 5, and i've got a dodgy logic 7....
About latency, when using my rosetta with firemix i get 0 latency, and im thinking of getting the symphony system as im getting a mac pro soon....
Ussually it only gives me problems with this proyect, it didnt use to give me any with other proyects..
i get pops even when its not playing, so i gotta run to my monitors and turn them off...
its driving me nuts..
help.dfegad

[BrunoBellatin]

hi thanks
im in logic 8 but it is still going nuts...
i've called the retailers, and now i've sent an email to apogee

lets see how it goes..

thanks again

[rogergan]

Originally Posted by BrunoBellatin

hi thanks
im in logic 8 but it is still going nuts...
i've called the retailers, and now i've sent an email to apogee

lets see how it goes..

thanks again

the rosetta 800's sound is good,but it's drive is not good.

[everyday]

Hi?

My understanding is that hearing latency and latency on recorded material are two different things. I no longer use Logic 7 so I am not sure what's happening inside of your system, by the way...


Almost all major DAWs have compensates recording latency. What I mean by that is that the buffer settings for the system does not shift the placement of the recording.

However, as I mentioned before, if you set the latency to 2048, over dubbing is impossible obviously because you hear the recorded material way too late...

One good thing to tell you is that you can shift the recording latency compensation by small amount in all the major DAWs.

Default setup is also usually 0 sample or 0 millie sec.

Try some different numbers. I am sure that Symphony system has fixed recording latency, so change the numbers by the amount of the latency according to your audio buffer setting...


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Originally Posted by justinmichael

Is anyone else having latency issues with the apogee rosetta?

I recently upgraded from a Rosetta 200 with an X-Firewire Card to an Apogee Rosetta 800 with Symphony System because I was experiencing tracking latency.

It cost me close to $2000 for the major upgrade and I am still experiencing latency..

I am running Logic Pro 7 with a Mac Pro 2.66 Ghz Dual Core Intel Xeon and 5 GB's of Ram. My I/O Buffer is set at 64.

Is anyone else experiencing this? Can anyone help?
Its getting a little frustrating to keep having to move tracks forward to sync them up with the rest of the song.