Blumlein Rules at Sunset Sound!

[superburtm]

So at Sunset Sound studio 2 tonight while tracking drums I used a Blumlein pair of c414EB's into the sunset sound custom pres into a pair of 550a's into a pair of 1176's to PTHD I cant believe I am just now getting into this technique! Really a neat stereo image and depth..very cool. WE tracked 9 songs with a 4 piece metal band called Ascension...
Came out silly good. Get this.. we used 42 inputs to PTHD during tracking!! Good times at Sunset...

SO I'd like to thank gearzlutz for getting me up on this technique!

[chetatkinsdiet]

I'd like to see the track sheet on that 42 input session. I'm guessing given the location with their room and gear list, you just went crazy and put multiple mics on everything. I don't know many metal guys that actually record live, er, live as a band. Overdubs rule for this style.

m

[superburtm]

Originally Posted by chetatkinsdiet

I'd like to see the track sheet on that 42 input session. I'm guessing given the location with their room and gear list, you just went crazy and put multiple mics on everything. I don't know many metal guys that actually record live, er, live as a band. Overdubs rule for this style.

m

didn't really go crazy per se...the 40 inputs..were

1 kik- 421
2 Fok -fet 47
3 kik2 -421
4 fok- 421
5 sn top -57
6 sn top -km84
7 sn btm -441
8 TOM-421
9 TOM2-421
10 TOM3-421
11 TOM4-421
12 hat 1 -km84
13 hat 2 -km84
14 RIDE-451
15,16 Overs 1 -U87 pair
17,18 OVERS 2 -C12 PAIR
19,20 ROOM-414EB BLUMLEIN PAIR
21,22 ROOM2-U87 PAIR FACING AWAY FROM THE KIT
23 MONO ROOM-U47

TRIGGERS
24 KIK
25 KIK
26 SN
27 TOM 1
28 TOM2
29 TOM3
30 SUNSET SOUND CHAMBER ( sn and toms)
31 AMS REVERB (KIK SN TOMS)

GTR1
32 421
33 SM57
34 D.I

GTR2
35 SM57
36 421
37 D.I.

BASS
38 FET 47
39 RE20
40 D.I

[superburtm]

Originally Posted by chetatkinsdiet

I don't know many metal guys that actually record live, er, live as a band. Overdubs rule for this style.

m

THat was our point..most modern metal records are LAME..they have no BAND feel.it's a bunch of grid edited sound replaced garbage in my words.

these guys can cut this way because they are that good. THey are like average age of 21 yrs old. But they shred! ..they play live to a pro tools rig sending the drummer a click..so in the studio we just cut to there live PT session..and did three takes of every song including one hand take on the drummers end for ease of any editing needed..but honestly very little editing will be needed...all the amps were in isos and the band was all in the main tracking room at sunset studio 2. Worked like a charm..this would not work for just ANY metal band. THese guys are going places..hence why we are making a record at sunset sound.

[chetatkinsdiet]

Sounds cool. When you can, be sure to let us know who this is. I'd love to hear their stuff.

m

[studjo]

Man how could you forget the piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiics???




Jo

[Drumsound]

Blumlein doesn't just rule at Sunset. Blumlein just rules!

[Jason Poulin]

+1 blumlein

[superburtm]

Originally Posted by Drumsound

Blumlein doesn't just rule at Sunset. Blumlein just rules!

thumbsup IT REALLY DOES

[superburtm]

Originally Posted by chetatkinsdiet

Sounds cool. When you can, be sure to let us know who this is. I'd love to hear their stuff.

m

the band is called Ascension..the kid is like a taseful metal version of Yngwie on the geetar and sounds like the devil himself on vocals. I'll ask those guys if we can post something....

[superburtm]

Originally Posted by studjo

Man how could you forget the piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiics???




Jo

I got some...on my fone..I just gotta figure out how to get them off of my fone

[studjo]

no hurry - I can see you're a drummer ... ups did I say that??? forget it - ähem nevermind




Jo







btw I'm a fon-idiot of the biggest kind

[superburtm]

haha..yeah it could be awhile

Originally Posted by studjo

no hurry - I can see you're a drummer ... ups did I say that??? forget it - ähem nevermind




Jo







btw I'm a fon-idiot of the biggest kind

[Blast9]

Originally Posted by superburtm

didn't really go crazy per se...the 40 inputs..were


5 sn top -57
6 sn top -km84
7 sn btm -441

Hi superburtm!

What did you achieve sonically with 3 snare mics?

And were the 2 top mics close together or was the KM on the shell?

Also did you spend much time positioning the Blumleins for room vs kit balance --- were they room mics or overheads?

Cheers

[superburtm]

Originally Posted by Blast9

Hi superburtm!

What did you achieve sonically with 3 snare mics?

And were the 2 top mics close together or was the KM on the shell?

Also did you spend much time positioning the Blumleins for room vs kit balance --- were they room mics or overheads?

Cheers

3 sn mics worked like this: 57 crack, km84 body and the 441 on bottom for the sizzle.

the 57 and km84 were taped together.

I used the blumleins for room..I did not have a whole lot of time..as I had a huge setup and 9 songs to cut..I just kinda eyeballed it.

[superburtm]

here are a few I got off my fone..not real helpful I know..but I will post more of the setup when I get them

[studjo]

hey nice pic but who's that ...



aw forget it


Thanks man - it was certainly a pleasure to work on that desk

Jo

[superburtm]

dats me!

yeah that console is cool..the mic collection is cooler

Originally Posted by studjo

hey nice pic but who's that ...



aw forget it


Thanks man - it was certainly a pleasure to work on that desk

Jo

[Steffmo]

NEXT time.....do it with 2 Coles 4038........twice as big.

[planet red]

Id love to hear a short soloed clip of the room mics.

How would you describe the sound of the room?

[superburtm]

Originally Posted by Steffmo

NEXT time.....do it with 2 Coles 4038........twice as big.

I'll give it a try

[replicaprada]

Thanks so much for sharing the post.



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[studjo]

I totally forgot about this post but I'm using Blumlein in my room lately and I really really love it. I use Royers 121 with it but I'll try other mics soon

Jo

[plexisys]

+1 NEXT time.....do it with 2 Coles 4038........twice as big.

[juanpz]

Wow, Is that 4 inputs, just for the Kickdrum??

Seems overkill to me, but what do i know?

If it sounds good; more power to you.

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Also really interested in trying Blumein technique

[juanpz]

Jeez, channels 19 through 23 are just for room mics!!

That one almost passed me by

Sunset studios seems pretty bad ass from the pics,

Thanks for sharing

[. . .]

Originally Posted by superburtm

here are a few I got off my fone..not real helpful I know..but I will post more of the setup when I get them

Dude! Your phone is what mp3 is to sound!

[RMJAZZ]

pics of the set-up?????

[Kris]

Originally Posted by superburtm

THese guys are going places..hence why we are making a record at sunset sound.

So did they go places? Would love to hear the results...