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28th November 2007
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Yamaha response about MSP line

I was so confused by the MSP series of NS10 replacements I wrote to Yamaha. My letter to them is below their response. They quickly responded. Here's Yamaha's latest MSP:

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Confusing marketing of MSP Series
I agree with the customer that this has been a confusing story. This is due to policy where we keep discontinued products online in support of dealers who still have inventory.

Here is the real information.

The HS50 and HS80 are current and are good accurate speakers.
The MSP5STUDIO is current and has replaced the MSP5A. They are are more expensive and more accurate than the HS50.

The MSP7STUDIO replaced the MSP10STUDIO. They are smaller, but have a more defined sound. The MSP7STUDIO is the last product designed by Akira Nakamura (who designed the NS10M) before his retirement. We think they are the best speakers he ever designed.
The SW10STUDIO is current and replaced the SW10.

FWIW, I'll work to get all the old stuff off the net as soon as possible.
>>> 11/26/07 3:57 PM >>>
F.Y.I.
You may have already seen this...

MY LETTER:
>>> "Ken J Kelly" 11/24/07 12:21 AM >>>
The MSP10 was advertised as the NS-10 replacement - now it is discontinued.
The MSP5 (or was it the MSP5a) is shown at many retailers as "discontinued".
Now I see the MSP5 is new again (see the links below) and the MSP7 is the new heir to the NS-10 line?
I am so confused I can't buy anything. I also find confusion when looking for the SW10 sub monitor at music equipment supply stores. Was that discontinued also?
I have the HS80M and want to upgrade if that can be done.

EXAMPLE:
This link says the MSP5 is discontinued:
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,,CNTID
%25253D1375%252526CTID%25253D229300%252526CNTYP%25253DPRODUCT,00.html
This says the MSP5A is discontinued:
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,,CNTID
%25253D47227%252526CNTYP%25253DPRODUCT,00.html
This link says the MSP5 is new:
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,,CNTID
%25253D543310%252526CTID%25253D560502,00.html

...
Also, the HS80Ms are listed as "RICH" instead of "ACCURATE" in the 3-d marketing diagram. Most folks have been buying HS80Ms when looking for an accurate monitor for home-studio. No-one wants "rich" for their studio mixing and monitoring. You would have been better using the terms: "Very Accurate" and "Extremely Accurate"
Please let me know the latest true story of the MSP7 and the SW10.
Thanks,
Ken Kelly
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So, does anyone consider the Yamaha MSP7 STUDIO and SW10STUDIO High-End?
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It's all marketing. None of these will sound like an NS-10.

The H-series is aimed at prosumers, while the (better) MSP series is the top end line of Yamaha powered monitors.

SW10 is high end (used in commercial facilities). I'm not a high-end "guy", but I have one and compared it directly to the HS10 sub and there's a night and day difference. I'd run away fro the H-series stuff as a result...

The MSP7 is kinda new. I haven't heard or read of any studios using them yet.
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Your view of the HS10 vs SW10 is very useful, thanks! I'm headed away from the HS series now.....

If I decide to go to the MSP7 I am counting on the fact that it really does not sound anything like an NS10. I trust they improved the MSPs through all the gyrations. But I don't want to be the first to buy an MSP7.

Thanks!
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uuuh. Hold-up wait! I own a pair of Yamaha HS80.
And I find them very accurate. Better then most monitors out there in the
same price range. What do you mean with hs80 not being accurate but
rich? Plus do you have a picture of the MSP-models you wich to buy?
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Hi Frustri....

Yes, RICH is Yamaha's description not mine, and that was my point to them. Yamaha kind of slammed folks who bought the HS80 by placing the HS80s on the (see the cube-picture on this link) RICH and Verstile UTILITY side of the cube, whereas the MSP7s are on the Accurate and "Dedicated to Recording" side of the cube. Bad marketing. I would have preferred a "less-accurate"->"more accurate" scale.

See: MSP7 STUDIO, MSP5 STUDIO, SW10 STUDIO | Speakers | Products | Yamaha Pro Audio
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MSP5s (studio?) vs. HS80m (versatile...? wth?)

I also ran into this confusion when looking at Yamaha's website and trying to discern the difference between the separate series.
My question for anyone who has heard any of these, is which one do they think would be more accurate, a pair of HS80M's or MSP5s'? They are in a very similar price range, but I have not been able to find a store that has both and will demo them for me. Thanks in advance.
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MSPS are very different then the HS80 and Ive listened to them side by side. Well one of the MSP-models anyway, had 1 volume knob on front wich one was that?
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Just finished a record, tracked and mixed on MSP7 borrowed from Yamaha.
My main speakers are usually Genelec 8040,s. The sound for tracking was just as nice and the mix translated fantastic. After the record i put up my Genelecs and kinda missed the MSP7,s. I am sent 4 to 5 pairs of speakers a year to try and i can honestly say this is the first time i could have left the MSP7,s on the stands.
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I appreciate the feedback on the MSP7. Considering the amount of Yamaha gear I have, from a Baby Grand, 02R96v2, guitar, outboard equipment, I tried to get them to use me but no luck.
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i use MSP10's along side quested vs3208's and a pair of NS10's

the MSP10's are AMAZING, i love them
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Well what I want to know is:
You can get a pair of HS80M's and MSP5S's for almost exactly the same price. If you're going to use it for mixing (accuracy) then which one do you buy?
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thought

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Your view of the HS10 vs SW10 is very useful, thanks! I'm headed away from the HS series now.....

If I decide to go to the MSP7 I am counting on the fact that it really does not sound anything like an NS10. I trust they improved the MSPs through all the gyrations. But I don't want to be the first to buy an MSP7.

Thanks!

If you want accuracy and these are your only 2 options, then by all means go with the MSP7. I was just over at a friends studio last night and he has the msp10 and the hs80m side by side. When switching between the two (using a Dangerous Monitor ST), the hs80m do not sound revealing at all. They sound bright but NOT revealing. I had the same experience when i had a pair of HS80m.

I guess you can learn to use the hs80m but for the small difference in price you are getting a BIG step up in accuracy. Just my thoughts.

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I find the HS80Ms bright also. I'm looking toward getting the MSP7s (but I'm going to finish fixing my room first).
Looking at the MSP5 vs the MSP7 freq diagrams (if you can believe those) provided by Yamaha, I was surprised to see the MSP5 was poor by comparison to the MSP7, but better than the HS80.

Look about half-way down this page:
MSP Professional Studio Monitors
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Did you know Brian "Big Bass" Gardner is using MSP5's for mastering?

Hard to believe...
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This is an old thread! Anyhow, the MSP5 is a big stand out in its range. Very nice speaker indeed, and perfect for the home studio guy in the low budget area.

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Can anyone compare the MSP5 to the MSP7?

I think I've seen some post about folks prefering the MSP5, but wanted to doublecheck that.

Laboso, did you see MSP5's at Big Bass' place?
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I like the midrange a bit better on the MSP5.

I like the low end / volume available better on the MSP7.

Both are excellent speakers, and like all speakers can be learned to be effective in your environment.

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War, do you (or anyone else for that matter) have any experience with the HS80M vs the MSP7? I've been scouring this board and google for comparions, and it seems like this thread is the best thing so far.

It seems like most people say the HS80Ms translate well, and the MSP7s are more revealing, but do the MSP7s translate as well, too?

I'm going to try and see if any places around here have both monitors to listen to, but I only recall seeing the HS series as of late.
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yes jondoe, you can see them in several vids of him on youtube and i read it once on a interview from mixonline*com..

by the way i use the hs80 for two years now and im really excited about these monitors.. a good friend of mine uses the msp5's as a alternate monitor and i must say i like the way it reveals the mids..
anyhow monitoring is always a subjective matter, i know people mixing on trashcans and they sound really good but its always about how good you know your monitor.. about how much music you have heard with it and how many experiences you have made with it..
but especially for this price range the hs80 are really really a good thing! no competition!
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i work at a studio where we have both

MSP5's
MSP7's
and 2 SW10's

two control rooms, one larger one with MSP5's and an SW10 set up in 5.1

one smaller one with MSP7's and an SW10 set up in 5.1 (<<temporary)

in general i dont really love the MSP series
i much prefer NS-10's basically

but they are pretty good
the MSP7's are definitely my favourite
obviously more bass (60Hz cut off for the 5's, 40Hz cutoff for the 7's)
also the 7's just feel a bit tighter
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