Metric Halo Clocking Issues

NoizyNinja · 7th November 2007, 06:39 AM

Upgraded from my MOTU 896 to a Metric Halo 2882. Pre's and analog outs (which go to a Folcrom) are way better on the MH but I'm having clocking problems.
The MOTU was solid clocked to my Lavry Blue AD/DA via AES and an Apogee Rosetta 800 via ADAT. The MH seems to clock when it wants to. I've tried it clocked via ADAT, AES and WC and it seems to work best with ADAT but it's not consistent. I have to unplug the MH and restart it until it locks. The software shows it's locking but I get that digital buzz.
Anyone else having MH clocking problems?

livingstone · 7th November 2007, 09:38 PM

hi!
mine is always clocked in aes to my hedd
never had a problem,
ask to mh support, they're very reactive !

NoizyNinja · 7th November 2007, 09:59 PM

Thanks! Yes I contacted MH and they got right back to me. When it locks it's great but every once in about 5 times it goes out and the MIO still shows it's locked. They have a new card coming out which improves the ADAT stability which indicates to me that they had some problems in the past. I'll try that in a couple of weeks when it comes out and see...

grahluk · 7th November 2007, 11:09 PM

I don't know if this is constructive help or not here but...

I have a 2882+DSP that I'm still loving. Years ago I tried using the ADAT I/O to various devices with not much success. Everything else played nicely. The final word at the time was that yes it is very finicky with ADAT clock. No resolution to the problem. It seemed the trade off for the 2882's internal clocking that makes the unit sound so nice is that it doesn't resolve well to such a sloppy sync standard as ADAT lightpipe. The fix would adversely affect the 2882's sound. That was a couple years ago. Supposedly there were some firmware revs that was supposed to help but I did away with all external ADAT devices before then. Good luck. Definitely go to MH support or the mailing list with your problem. Someone will set it straight or clear it up.

**Riccardo** · 8th November 2007, 12:35 AM

I have experienced the same problem when slaving the 2882 to ADAT. Luckily it doesn't loose clock every five minutes.
Hopefully the new card will turn a very good product into an exceptional one.

NoizyNinja · 8th November 2007, 12:36 AM

I've had some issues with it being the master too. The Lavry doesn't seem to lock via AES to the MH and I think the Lavry has a pretty solid clock in it. I like the MH and I think it sounds great but my opinion is that the clock needs improvement. My MOTU 896 worked solid in this setup and that clock is not well respected.

NoizyNinja · 8th November 2007, 01:02 AM

Hey Ricardo. It stays locked once it's locked but sometimes if I restart the computer or change sample rates it just goes out and i have to restart

dnaflr2 · 8th November 2007, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoizyNinja

Hey Ricardo. It stays locked once it's locked but sometimes if I restart the computer or change sample rates it just goes out and i have to restart

Pretty typical. I have the same issue here when slaving clock from the HEDD. Try resetting with not only the MH console, but with audiomidi control panel as well. When all else fails reset all MH outputs, or power cycle it from thr MH console

NoizyNinja · 8th November 2007, 04:37 PM

I'll try that. This seems like MH's dirty little secret. Everyone raves about the sound quality, which is certainly true, but the clocking needs some work. Maybe their new card will help.

henryrobinett · 8th November 2007, 04:45 PM

I rarely have any clocking issues. I have three MH units. Adat is finicky though. AES has ALWAYS been rock solid for me.

I used to record shows with two MIOs and using Adat to get another 8 in with a Motu 2408mkII. At first there were issues, but I'd say the last 10 or so shows I did like that were smooth as silk. I can't remember what we did.

You have the latest formware, software?

Sometimes a trick is to unplug the unit from the FW and power, to power cycle, for a good 5 minutes, or more. It takes a minute to recycle/reset.

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7th November 2007, 06:39 AM	#1
NoizyNinja Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: L.A. Posts: 156	Metric Halo Clocking Issues Upgraded from my MOTU 896 to a Metric Halo 2882. Pre's and analog outs (which go to a Folcrom) are way better on the MH but I'm having clocking problems. The MOTU was solid clocked to my Lavry Blue AD/DA via AES and an Apogee Rosetta 800 via ADAT. The MH seems to clock when it wants to. I've tried it clocked via ADAT, AES and WC and it seems to work best with ADAT but it's not consistent. I have to unplug the MH and restart it until it locks. The software shows it's locking but I get that digital buzz. Anyone else having MH clocking problems?

7th November 2007, 09:38 PM	#2
livingstone Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium // Brussels Posts: 330	hi! mine is always clocked in aes to my hedd never had a problem, ask to mh support, they're very reactive ! __________________ no time________________no sound Frederic Alstadt Ångström mastering :::::::: mastering for the alternative

7th November 2007, 11:09 PM	#4
grahluk Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 547	I don't know if this is constructive help or not here but... I have a 2882+DSP that I'm still loving. Years ago I tried using the ADAT I/O to various devices with not much success. Everything else played nicely. The final word at the time was that yes it is very finicky with ADAT clock. No resolution to the problem. It seemed the trade off for the 2882's internal clocking that makes the unit sound so nice is that it doesn't resolve well to such a sloppy sync standard as ADAT lightpipe. The fix would adversely affect the 2882's sound. That was a couple years ago. Supposedly there were some firmware revs that was supposed to help but I did away with all external ADAT devices before then. Good luck. Definitely go to MH support or the mailing list with your problem. Someone will set it straight or clear it up. __________________ "Wow, that's really exciting and new and underground and authentic. Let us take it and bring it into our dark hearts." -John Stewart on marketing.

8th November 2007, 12:35 AM	#5
Riccardo Mastering Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Always on the Run Posts: 1,404	I have experienced the same problem when slaving the 2882 to ADAT. Luckily it doesn't loose clock every five minutes. Hopefully the new card will turn a very good product into an exceptional one. __________________ Velvet Room Mastering "What quality level does it need to be? Personally, I work on mixes that range from marvellous to hideously diabolical.......I'd suggest you aim more towards the "marvellous" end of the scale!" - Darius van Helfteren -

7th November 2007, 09:59 PM	#3
NoizyNinja Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: L.A. Posts: 156	Thanks! Yes I contacted MH and they got right back to me. When it locks it's great but every once in about 5 times it goes out and the MIO still shows it's locked. They have a new card coming out which improves the ADAT stability which indicates to me that they had some problems in the past. I'll try that in a couple of weeks when it comes out and see...

8th November 2007, 12:36 AM	#6
NoizyNinja Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: L.A. Posts: 156	I've had some issues with it being the master too. The Lavry doesn't seem to lock via AES to the MH and I think the Lavry has a pretty solid clock in it. I like the MH and I think it sounds great but my opinion is that the clock needs improvement. My MOTU 896 worked solid in this setup and that clock is not well respected.

8th November 2007, 01:02 AM	#7
NoizyNinja Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: L.A. Posts: 156	Hey Ricardo. It stays locked once it's locked but sometimes if I restart the computer or change sample rates it just goes out and i have to restart

8th November 2007, 04:37 PM	#9
NoizyNinja Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: L.A. Posts: 156	I'll try that. This seems like MH's dirty little secret. Everyone raves about the sound quality, which is certainly true, but the clocking needs some work. Maybe their new card will help.

8th November 2007, 04:45 PM	#10
henryrobinett Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 5,159	I rarely have any clocking issues. I have three MH units. Adat is finicky though. AES has ALWAYS been rock solid for me. I used to record shows with two MIOs and using Adat to get another 8 in with a Motu 2408mkII. At first there were issues, but I'd say the last 10 or so shows I did like that were smooth as silk. I can't remember what we did. You have the latest formware, software? Sometimes a trick is to unplug the unit from the FW and power, to power cycle, for a good 5 minutes, or more. It takes a minute to recycle/reset. __________________ All the best, Henry Robinett

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