Telefunken V72,V76 and V672

[drago]

Hi!

that it differentiates it has between the previous ones telefunken?

V72, V76 and V672.

And as they are its favorite applications with these previous ones?

Thanks.

[FULL-DUPLEX]

V72 & V76 = Tube line / mic amplifier

V672 = Solidstate line amplifier

All preamps sound different.

You won´t would use the V72 and V672 for dynamic mic signals, due to their max. fixed gain with 34dB. If you want to use a condenser / tube mic they will do their job perfect.

The V76 has more available gain, because it was designed to use it for dynamic mics.

Because taste is a personal matter some prefer the V76 or the V72 for vocals.

[jmikeperkins]

The tube units have 2 numbers after the V, like the V72 and V76. The solid state units have 3 numbers after the V, like the V272, V372, V672, V276, V376, V476, V676, V776 etc. The units that end in 2 were originally meant to be line amps and come stock with a fixed gain. They can be modified into mic pres with an external control over the gain. The units that end in 6 are dedicated mic pres, they have more gain (76dbs to be exact) and some of them like the V276, V376, and V676a were made to be rack mounted and have a large front panel gain control (and a fine tune control). The V676 (no letter afterward) is a mic pre but it was made to be used in a mixing board and the gain is remotely controlled. Some of the units with a front panel gain control can also be controlled remotely.

Although sometimes branded Telefunken, and referred to as such, these units were originally made by TAB and Siemens and none were made by "Telefunken" per se. Later units in this series were made by Neumann, ANT, Lawo and some other companies. The units that start with U are compressors, like the tube U73 and the solid state U273 (made by Siemens) and U373a (made by TAB).

The tube V76 is often condidered the king of all mic pres and its one of the most expensive. The V76 was only made by TAB. Both TAB and Siemens made V72 units. If you can't afford a V76, an excellent alternative is the TAB made V376, the first solid state version of the V76. Its very close to being as good as a V76 and they sell for about 1/3 of the cost of a V76. The Siemens made V276 is also excellent but not quite as open on top as the V376. The V376 is one of the best solid state mic pres ever made and (while different) its easily is as good as ANY Neve or api. I have 8 V376 units and I just love their open tone, they are especially nice for acoustic music and vocals. The Neumann made V476 is also highly regarded.

When modified for control over the gain, the V372 and V672 (from TAB) and the Siemens made V272 are highly regarded as being wonderful for recording electric guitars as they have a nice punchy mid range.

Some of the later units in this series, from ANT and LAWO are not as highly regarded as the earlier ones made by TAB and Siemens. I'm sure some of these are OK, but they stopped being discrete after awhile and then started using cheaper transformers and components.

J. Mike Perkins
jmikeperkins.com myspace.com/jmikeperkins

[drago]

Ok.

Thanks.

[emir_macaroni]

So how does the Neumann PV76 fit in the picture?

[Andreas G]

Originally Posted by emir_macaroni

So how does the Neumann PV76 fit in the picture?

The PV76 is a very smooth sounding pre, a bit like a Chandler TG2 but with a more smoother/sweeter topend.

[emir_macaroni]

Originally Posted by Andreas G

The PV76 is a very smooth sounding pre, a bit like a Chandler TG2 but with a more smoother/sweeter topend.

Yes, I love them.
I meant in a historical perspective
Speaking of Chandler, I think they have something with the Germanium pre as well, something in the low mids.

[wrekdahouse]

Hello, if you are talking about those blackface danner size preamps, i use them a lot, they are great, much more "soft highs" sound than the V276 and V676 preamps and also a big round bottom, sound more delicate than v276. still with the german meety tone. they work great with the PEVc eq, also from the same board.
here some pics from a nice sidecar, and a nice TANK. ive got several modules from this board some years ago in munich. i love them.
best
wrek.

[emir_macaroni]

That console looks so... Arrrrgh....I need to change my underwear

[wrekdahouse]

Historically i think siemens / tab stuff is earlier, from the late sixties, this neumann board is from 1973, and it has those PV76 preamps. it really looks like early seventies era, the colours and the round pots, more gentle lines. it was fitted with neumann preamps and eqs, siemens u273 limiters and eckmiller faders.
here is a pic of the schematic with date.
best
wrek.

[druhms]

Great info J. Mike Perkins. Thanks for the refresher course.
To the original poster, you can even get more burried in details with the letters after the numbers, like the V72a, V72B, V76M, etc...

By the way, I have a pair of V72a's racked up that need a good tech to go through them. Can anyone recomend an honest tech for me?
Thanks,
Druhms

[vernier]

I love V72.

[soupking]

I love V72.

+4

[Riccardo]

Does anybody know about a "T" (transistor) version of the 72?
I have seen a few around but never used one or found any info about it.

[latex]

hello guys
i have a v 672 anybody have the schematics to do a pre mic and what recap inside??
thanks

[salomonander]

Originally Posted by latex

hello guys
i have a v 672 anybody have the schematics to do a pre mic and what recap inside??
thanks

meet your new favourite website! Vintage german modules (Neumann, Siemens, TAB, IRT, Lawo, ANT, Eckmiller, Adis, Monitora and Telefunken modules and Braunbuch scans)

[salomonander]

...you really have to try them for yourself im afraid. i personally only know v72s, v76s and v276s. now, the v276 sounds a lot different from the tube modules. very modern. i know lots of dudes that aimed for a vintage sound and were very p|ssed when they got those....i think they are great. but they do not sound vintage at all!

the v76 is roughly two v72s cascaded...so they do share a very similar vibe. its a slow preamp. very creamy sounding. it fits folk, blues and any kind of old school vibe perfectly.. yes, they still sound open ...lots more than a 1073 for instance. but they have a distinct oldschool vibe...which mainly has to do with the way they handle transients. but you really have to find this out for yourself. my advice is to rent a studio that has all of these and see what you like most in a well treated room. i dont know where you are from, but most high end rooms in germany have these modules installed.

you really have to try all this out for yourself...my taste might be very different from yours...just rent a kick ass studio for a day! otherwise you are blowing cash! its all down to personal taste at this level. some preople like the creamy tube stuff....some like the edgy transistor gear. its really just a matte of taste and what kind of records you grew up with.

cheers
jakob

btw if you are in germany, feel free to send me a pm and try it all out for free ..

[salomonander]

...and i just realized how old this thread is...... haha

[DanDan]

Old is relative eh.
Honest techs and source of these devices, refurbished and saturation tested.
Markus and Andy at *****h&e**** Studiotechnik**********
Worth talking to these guys about the actual sound, gain range needed and so on. Their descriptions and recommendations have been 100% in the case of my V76 and two V78's

DD

[Simma Lugnt]

I'm a happy owner of V276, V272, V672 and wondering if V72 or V76 would be better/complement for acoustic guitar?

V72 has only 34db and what if i want to rec ac gtr finger picking at 40cm (about 1,5ft) with KM54, km84 as i do with solidstate modules, woul there be enough gain? If closer with sdc, does it sound tiring?

[walth]

Originally Posted by jmikeperkins

The tube units have 2 numbers after the V, like the V72 and V76. The solid state units have 3 numbers after the V, like the V272, V372, V672, V276, V376, V476, V676, V776 etc. The units that end in 2 were originally meant to be line amps and come stock with a fixed gain. They can be modified into mic pres with an external control over the gain. The units that end in 6 are dedicated mic pres, they have more gain (76dbs to be exact) and some of them like the V276, V376, and V676a were made to be rack mounted and have a large front panel gain control (and a fine tune control). The V676 (no letter afterward) is a mic pre but it was made to be used in a mixing board and the gain is remotely controlled. Some of the units with a front panel gain control can also be controlled remotely.

Although sometimes branded Telefunken, and referred to as such, these units were originally made by TAB and Siemens and none were made by "Telefunken" per se. Later units in this series were made by Neumann, ANT, Lawo and some other companies. The units that start with U are compressors, like the tube U73 and the solid state U273 (made by Siemens) and U373a (made by TAB).

The tube V76 is often condidered the king of all mic pres and its one of the most expensive. The V76 was only made by TAB. Both TAB and Siemens made V72 units. If you can't afford a V76, an excellent alternative is the TAB made V376, the first solid state version of the V76. Its very close to being as good as a V76 and they sell for about 1/3 of the cost of a V76. The Siemens made V276 is also excellent but not quite as open on top as the V376. The V376 is one of the best solid state mic pres ever made and (while different) its easily is as good as ANY Neve or api. I have 8 V376 units and I just love their open tone, they are especially nice for acoustic music and vocals. The Neumann made V476 is also highly regarded.

When modified for control over the gain, the V372 and V672 (from TAB) and the Siemens made V272 are highly regarded as being wonderful for recording electric guitars as they have a nice punchy mid range.

Some of the later units in this series, from ANT and LAWO are not as highly regarded as the earlier ones made by TAB and Siemens. I'm sure some of these are OK, but they stopped being discrete after awhile and then started using cheaper transformers and components.

J. Mike Perkins
jmikeperkins.com myspace.com/jmikeperkins

very informative. thanks

[gpiccolini]

Originally Posted by Simma Lugnt

I'm a happy owner of V276, V272, V672 and wondering if V72 or V76 would be better/complement for acoustic guitar?

V72 has only 34db and what if i want to rec ac gtr finger picking at 40cm (about 1,5ft) with KM54, km84 as i do with solidstate modules, woul there be enough gain? If closer with sdc, does it sound tiring?

I did a quick vocal test some time ago with a V72 and V672 with a U87i. I found the V672 a little faster but really similar in colour. Nothing scientific, of course. I ended liking my V672.