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| Gear nut Joined: Dec 2003
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Thread Starter | Vocals: LA2A -> 1176 or 1176-> LA2A
I've read threads where people will use these in conjunction to get a super squeezed vocal track. I was thinking of going through the 1176 FIRST to tone down the peaks and then through the LA2A to even everything out. I've read threads where people run the signal through the LA2A first and THEN the 1176. This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me as the the LA2A's attack is so sloppy. What is the reasoning for doing this? Is it six of one, half dozen the other? |
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| Gear interested Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Los Angeles
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Though I don't have either of those "names" in my rack, I've found a Distressor (1176-ish, quick attack/release, 5-10 dB reduction) followed by my ADL (LA2A-ish opto, just a couple dB) works for me and makes more sense for the same reason you described.
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Compressors in series works a treat, once you get the hang of it. Just set the first one with the higest ratio and each successive compressor with a ratio lower than the previous one. adjust attack/release and threshhold to taste. Wiggy
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| Gear nut Joined: Dec 2003
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I'm really behind on mixing a project this week. But next weel will try borh methods and post what I find. Thanks for the input guys.
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It really depends on what you are going for. The common trick with those 2 for pop vocals is: LA-2A first. Set the meter to Gain Reduction, and it should be in "limit" mode. Adjust so the meter is just moving a little... not much. Then, into the 1176. Start with the knobs straight up. Adjust attack to slowest, and release to fastest. Use a ratio of either 4 or 8. Again, adjust so that you are just getting a little bit of needle movement. You will find this to be VERY smooth. I do a lot of rock... and I actually find that I like this combination.... but.... I get the needle going more on the LA-2A, and make the attack quicker on the 1176, and again... more compression (needle movement). Recently, I have been using the UAD-1 freaking Fairchild 670 compressor Plug-In in Nuendo... GEEZ!!!! It's sounds really amazing for squashing a rock vocal vintage style. It sounds amazingly like the real deal. Not quite the distressor... but very close!
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| Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2003
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I think I remember TLA saying that he slams an LA3A and grabs the slow attack overshoots with something fast like an SSL comp after the opto. I imagine either way will work fine. | |
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HmM I recently tried this one & it sounds kida wierd and PUMPY. probably because of the slow attack on the 1176, but still, It gets kinda smooth so could it be That ive done something wrong. Im really interested in different ways to combine these two monsters. | |
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Personally, I always prefer 1176 first at 4/8:1, med. fast attack/release into the LA2A on comp. Knocking a couple of dBs off on each unit. Sounds fairly natural but also somewhat 'finished' for lack of a better term and tends to sit really well in the mix. Whatever works for ya!
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| Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Sweden
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Damn i feel so stupid But i may have gotten this all wrong, but I thought 1 was the "fastest" and 7 " the slowest" But from what ive read about the 1176 it seems to be the other way around?
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wanna try something different? instead of slamming thru comps in series, split 'em out. mult the vocal to your LA-2A and 1176 separately. then maybe to some other stuff like something cheapo (alesis?) or your old dbx 160X or something. even pump another up with plugs (watch the phase). bring them up into separate faders on the desk and blend to taste. if you need to skim some peaks, buss the tracks together and run the buss thru a clean fast limiter. or print it back to your DAW and skim it there. experiment. mix controls on that final compressor might be fun too. FRS |
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LA2A have Limiter and Compressor.... What is different? I switched but I couldn't hear the different... Maybe my ears is too bad? Let me know, Plz!!! Thanks
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If i where to do rock/metal the most logical way would be to use the La-2a as a limiter kind of, and then use the 1176 to get that nice edge to the vox |
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| Gear nut Joined: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I've never managed to get this to sound right to my ears for some reason. I tend to do a lot of volume automation and THEN hit the compressor. I also compress a bit on the way in and will sometimes go LA2A in and 1176 out and sometimes vice versa. joel
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i have both in the rack. and 1176 to la2a is the combination that makes sense. never seen anyone doing it the other way around. no point in my opinion. we use the 1176 to safe the la2a from overreacting to fast peaks. the other way around doesnt make much sense :-) it might still sound cool....but 1176-la2a ist the classic approach. sometimes even in nuke mode. just tickling the highest peaks a little.
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i normally put the MC77 first, but there have been some vocals where the LA2A went first.
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With the above mentioned method... I find the result very smooth... not pumping, and nearly inaudible compression. If I want more of a "compressed" sound... I crank the input of the LA-2A, or (sometimes and) the 1176. When you hit it harder, you start to get a little more of that lovely "p" sound, and "s" sound and the thickness we all love. When using the plug-in versions... even the UAD ones... I find that this method does not have the impact it does with the hardware. I recently found that using the softtube CL-1B and the UA1176 plugs can really get ya there though! jmtc... | |
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| Gear interested Joined: Jul 2010 Location: Columbia, MO
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I would support the LA-2A as the front-end limiter as well. I never liked tracking with an 1176, I prefer it in mixing.
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