MCI 428B or Toft ATB? - Page 2

soundbarnfool · 15th August 2007, 08:18 PM

Thanks all. At this point I think it's a testament to the Toft that I am even considering it, but considering it I am. Will have a look and listen as soon as I can. Of course I am also talking to Randy and Steve and went down to look at a few 428s today... And considering neotek too... But i hear maintainance on those can be a bear... I'm still in construction on the control room, so i have some time...

Harvey Gerst · 15th August 2007, 08:24 PM

The Toft doesn't have the wow factor and no meter bridge, but the sound is there for sure. There are a few features missing, but it's an amazing board for the price. If we eventually get rid of our Soundtracs 32x8 in Studio B, the Toft would be one of the first boards I'd be looking at seriously.

monkeyt · 16th August 2007, 05:00 AM

Is a meter bridge really that big of a make or break deal? I've done plenty of sessions where I just make sure the needle on the recorder is rockin'.

The rest is just eye candy.

u b k · 16th August 2007, 07:16 AM

oh man, i understand people's hesitations with old consoles, because when they're dodgy it's a HUGE pain in the ass. but damn those old mci's sound amazing, just open and sweet and overflowing with the bigness. paired up with tape it's a deadly combo.

the toft, i've never used it, and i'd *still* be willing to bet a major organ it doesn't hold a candle.

gregoire
del
ubk
.

soundbarnfool · 18th May 2008, 09:48 PM

Got the 428B w/ 5534 IC's in all channels. Love it.

Dirty Halo · 18th May 2008, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u b k

the toft, i've never used it, and i'd *still* be willing to bet a major organ it doesn't hold a candle.

gregoire
del
ubk
.

Really? Why?

You never used it. You have no experience with it.

However, I do. And I just had Steve from Inward Connections do some mods for me on the Toft and it does WAAAAAAY more than "hold a candle."

Funny how man ASSumptions are made 'round these parts.

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kats · 19th May 2008, 02:20 AM

What kind of mods?

Dirty Halo · 19th May 2008, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kats

What kind of mods?

Steve installed his Inward Connections blocks 9with dedicated power supply) on the 2-buss and a few other tweaks, giving i that larger-than-life Inward Connections sound, opening up the imaging, width and depth.

Inward also has their own incredible creations coming!

-andrews

bdmctear · 19th May 2008, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundbarnfool

Got the 428B w/ 5534 IC's in all channels. Love it.

Congratulations! I heard THIS recently:

"sage ELECTRONICS is developing a discrete, plugin
replacement for the MCI 2001 IC opamp as used throughout the MCI 400 series
consoles."

I have a blonde 440. It's an amazing console, but the above, if it should happen, would be amazingly exciting to me. It'd be great to replace the master section and a few channels at a time.

Best of luck.

lambro · 19th May 2008, 06:49 AM

any MCI style re-issue channels in the works?

pianodano · 21st May 2008, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Steve installed his Inward Connections blocks 9with dedicated power supply) on the 2-buss and a few other tweaks, giving i that larger-than-life Inward Connections sound, opening up the imaging, width and depth.

Inward also has their own incredible creations coming!

-andrews

I would be very interested in learning more about what you've had done to your ATB and how to contact whoever did it for you.

Danny

Dirty Halo · 21st May 2008, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pianodano

I would be very interested in learning more about what you've had done to your ATB and how to contact whoever did it for you.

Danny

I think it was all answered within the post you quoted me in, Steve from Inward Connections (Steve is Inward Connections) and he has his blocks and transformers, the same that help hive his Vac Rac and other creations his sound, he put those in line on the 2-buss and then did some other minor mods (I'm no tech, so you'd have to ask him).

Not sure if he is doing this as a regular service though or not (this was our first experiment at it). He does have his own line of incredible gear (I can not say enough good things about the my Vac Rac) and his other known and coming soon AMAZING creations!

Call him, he's a good guy

Another good resource is Darrin at Vintage King (in fact, he's the one who helped with the idea of modding my Toft). He modded his board (think it's a Yamaha?) and he is a good resource... and a great guy when it's time to buy gear!

-andrews

P.S. I'd like to add that a board is more than just a board, it's how they are built and what you can do with it... like Fletcher's console he's modded out to the nines.

pianodano · 21st May 2008, 03:31 AM

Dirty Halo,

OK and thanks for the additional info.

Danny

espen askelad · 21st May 2008, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdmctear

Congratulations! I heard THIS recently:

"sage ELECTRONICS is developing a discrete, plugin
replacement for the MCI 2001 IC opamp as used throughout the MCI 400 series
consoles."

I have a blonde 440. It's an amazing console, but the above, if it should happen, would be amazingly exciting to me. It'd be great to replace the master section and a few channels at a time.

Best of luck.

Interesting. Sage makes killer stuff. After my bad ATB experience I've been thinking most likely restoring an MCI is going to be the way to go unless a silly deal on a Neotek pops up. Though I'm curious about this ATB+ they're talking about, if it can deliver I'd be willing to try Toft out again. Of course, if it's anything like the ol' meter bridge, I'll be dead before they release it.

roginator · 21st May 2008, 02:16 PM

wow ..replacement for MCI 2001....

hmm what about 2002 and 2003M ..that would be cool for 500 serie

400 is great desk..I heard it and like it a lot..I own 532D and all I can say that people who talk about problematic MCI stuff never had expirience with MCI maintaince or dont know basic electronics..MINE is like NEW and when I got it It was PILE OF JUNK!!!!...
and I didnot know anything about electronics when I got it!!

Its possible to fix it easily ..and most parts are available in local store..

MCIs are easy to MOD and get better and better sound...also EQs are dream!!!!!

Its sad that most of MCIs are going to be distroyed in near future !!!! ( i know about 20 MCI consoles wich are now on junkyards in parts or sold for racking) I bought 3 in that condition to make mine!!

OH BTW Im looking for 2 brown MODULES BLANK PANELS FOR MY MCI !!!! ( as you can see in picture)

Jamzone · 23rd May 2008, 12:54 AM

I have the opportunity to swap my Atb-24 for a well maintaned Euphonix Cs-2000 48 channel. No dynamics.

What's the word on that? Anyone here used an Euphonix??

Best,

Jamzone

Outlaw Hans · 23rd May 2008, 12:14 PM

Roginator: Do you know of any 400 series consoles in parts/junkyard?
I need 400a channels to get my jh-440 fully loaded...

roginator · 23rd May 2008, 03:34 PM

no..but will spread the word..I know about 2 MCI 400...so who knows ???

**George Necola** · 23rd May 2008, 03:37 PM

we have a TL audio VXT up for sale in a few month...

I would prefer the MCI if you have enought spareparts and know a good tech.

cheers

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15th August 2007, 08:24 PM	#32
Harvey Gerst Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sanger, TX Posts: 561	The Toft doesn't have the wow factor and no meter bridge, but the sound is there for sure. There are a few features missing, but it's an amazing board for the price. If we eventually get rid of our Soundtracs 32x8 in Studio B, the Toft would be one of the first boards I'd be looking at seriously. __________________ Harvey Gerst Indian Trail Recording Studio http://www.ITRstudio.com

16th August 2007, 07:16 AM	#34
u b k Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: m a n h a t t a n Posts: 5,536	oh man, i understand people's hesitations with old consoles, because when they're dodgy it's a HUGE pain in the ass. but damn those old mci's sound amazing, just open and sweet and overflowing with the bigness. paired up with tape it's a deadly combo. the toft, i've never used it, and i'd still be willing to bet a major organ it doesn't hold a candle. gregoire del ubk . __________________ . . m i x _ a r c h i t e c t . . __________________

19th May 2008, 06:49 AM	#40
lambro Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: San Francisco Posts: 156	any MCI style re-issue channels in the works? __________________ www.myspace.com/lambro9

21st May 2008, 03:31 AM	#43
pianodano Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 483	Dirty Halo, OK and thanks for the additional info. Danny __________________ I'm a builder. If you see me running - get out of the building.

15th August 2007, 08:18 PM	#31
soundbarnfool Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Nashville Posts: 341	Thanks all. At this point I think it's a testament to the Toft that I am even considering it, but considering it I am. Will have a look and listen as soon as I can. Of course I am also talking to Randy and Steve and went down to look at a few 428s today... And considering neotek too... But i hear maintainance on those can be a bear... I'm still in construction on the control room, so i have some time...

16th August 2007, 05:00 AM	#33
monkeyt Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 477	Is a meter bridge really that big of a make or break deal? I've done plenty of sessions where I just make sure the needle on the recorder is rockin'. The rest is just eye candy.

18th May 2008, 09:48 PM	#35
soundbarnfool Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Nashville Posts: 341	Got the 428B w/ 5534 IC's in all channels. Love it.

19th May 2008, 02:20 AM	#37
kats Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,357	What kind of mods?

21st May 2008, 02:16 PM	#45
roginator Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 333	wow ..replacement for MCI 2001.... hmm what about 2002 and 2003M ..that would be cool for 500 serie 400 is great desk..I heard it and like it a lot..I own 532D and all I can say that people who talk about problematic MCI stuff never had expirience with MCI maintaince or dont know basic electronics..MINE is like NEW and when I got it It was PILE OF JUNK!!!!... and I didnot know anything about electronics when I got it!! Its possible to fix it easily ..and most parts are available in local store.. MCIs are easy to MOD and get better and better sound...also EQs are dream!!!!! Its sad that most of MCIs are going to be distroyed in near future !!!! ( i know about 20 MCI consoles wich are now on junkyards in parts or sold for racking) I bought 3 in that condition to make mine!! OH BTW Im looking for 2 brown MODULES BLANK PANELS FOR MY MCI !!!! ( as you can see in picture)

23rd May 2008, 12:54 AM	#46
Jamzone Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 381	I have the opportunity to swap my Atb-24 for a well maintaned Euphonix Cs-2000 48 channel. No dynamics. What's the word on that? Anyone here used an Euphonix?? Best, Jamzone

23rd May 2008, 12:14 PM	#47
Outlaw Hans Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Groningen, Holland Posts: 174	Roginator: Do you know of any 400 series consoles in parts/junkyard? I need 400a channels to get my jh-440 fully loaded...

23rd May 2008, 03:34 PM	#48
roginator Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 333	no..but will spread the word..I know about 2 MCI 400...so who knows ???

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