i wanna kick butt sonically

[genericperson]

here's what i've come up with for a great 8 channel analog summing (take feeds of the daw) environment:

benchmark dac-1
lavry 4496
nautilus commander 8 channel mixer
nautilus nemo dmc-5 monitoring section (www.nautilusmastertechnology.com)
high-quality analog eqs
cranesong stc-8
lexicon pcm-90
balanced power box
yamaha ns-10's
adam s3-a's
sennheiser hd-580 headphones
akg k-271 headphones
weiss a-d>>back into computer

style of music: hip hop

if more channels become necessary, can add another lavry and another commander and submix a group or two into the main commander.

any thoughts, suggestions?

[thethrillfactor]

Originally posted by genericperson
here's what i've come up with for a great 8 channel analog summing (take feeds of the daw) environment:

benchmark dac-1
lavry 4496
nautilus commander 8 channel mixer
nautilus nemo dmc-5 monitoring section (www.nautilusmastertechnology.com)
high-quality analog eqs
cranesong stc-8
lexicon pcm-90
balanced power box
yamaha ns-10's
adam s3-a's
sennheiser hd-580 headphones
akg k-271 headphones
weiss a-d>>back into computer

style of music: hip hop

any thoughts, suggestions?

I would probably switch out the summing box for an SSL.

It would save you some on the EQ and dynamics department.

A lot of hiphop records are mixed just with the EQ and dynamics on the SSL alone.

Also you need monitors that can let you hear the extreme bottomn end.

[genericperson]

you mean buy a $300,000 ssl console instead of a $6k analog summing system?

i'm talking about premium quality, but still on a human financial scale!

unless there is some small 8 channel ssl summing box i don't know of? i only know of the 9000k rackmount stuff that came out at aes, none of which would fit this description.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally posted by genericperson
you mean buy a $300,000 ssl console instead of a $6k analog summing system?

i'm talking about premium quality, but still on a human financial scale!

unless there is some small 8 channel ssl summing box i don't know of? i only know of the 9000k rackmount stuff that came out at aes, none of which would fit this description.

I was thinking more of a 4000 or 6000(better for rap)than a 9000.

If you are doing the productions yourself, you can get away with a 32 channel SSL.

Great mixes are more than the summing and monitoring(which helps a lot). I feel like the SSL just gives you an instant recognizable sound that you can easily build around.

Also because it has EQ's and dynamics built in on every channel, you can use those to build your mixes around.

My dos centavos.

[genericperson]

so what would a 32 channel ssl 4000 series cost?

i'm guessing you can't touch even the most modest of used ssl's for under $65k, but what do i know. i've never shopped for one.

one thing is for sure, i LIKE the sound of today's hip hop. and i know a whole lot of it is tracked in protools and mixed onto an ssl.

so many people say today's music sounds like garbage and some people (not sure why) say ssls don't sound good. they can gladly throw an ssl my way if they don't want one. i'd be real happy!

[thethrillfactor]

Originally posted by genericperson
so what would a 32 channel ssl 4000 series cost?

i'm guessing you can't touch even the most modest of used ssl's for under $65k, but what do i know. i've never shopped for one.

one thing is for sure, i LIKE the sound of today's hip hop. and i know a whole lot of it is tracked in protools and mixed onto an ssl.

so many people say today's music sounds like garbage and some people (not sure why) say ssls don't sound good. they can gladly throw an ssl my way if they don't want one. i'd be real happy!

Haven't seen one in a while, but the last 32 channel i saw went for something around $25-30k(VCA but no moving faders).

I haven't mixed rap in while(2000), but when i did, it was SSL or nada.

[genericperson]

i saw a site in the uk. they're talking about 8-12 channel ssl sidecar mixers with starting prices of $15,000.

very interesting. never thought i could even think about an ssl. i didn't even know they made sidecars (i thought only neve did that).

i'll have to sell a spleen or something.

[djui5]

I love the 4K on hip/hop stuff. The 9K can't take the abuse..and the 4K eats it up. It also has that "grainy" sound that's good for rock to....

******//www.apiaudio.com/pdfs/8200brochure.pdf

That would work....I'd get that if I were you.

[Fletcher]

I'm unfamiliar with the "Nautilus" stuff so I won't comment there... the rest looks pretty OK... though I think I would drop the balanced power box unless I found that the noise floor in my studio was higher than it should be... or if you really have a jones for balanced power, run your stuff at 220v if you're in N. America [in N. America 220v comes out the wall as "balanced power"].

Best of luck with it.

[ajcamlet]

Originally posted by Fletcher
I if you really have a jones for balanced power, run your stuff at 220v if you're in N. America [in N. America 220v comes out the wall as "balanced power"].

This is very interesting to me. Can you explain this a little further? I'm guessing you need to rewire everything from the box to wall ?

[Knastratt]

I'd switch the high-quality analog eqs for EAR 825Q 5 Band 2 Channel Equaliser!
******//www.independentaudio.com/CDCatalog/HTML/ear.html

[Fred Z]

Just wondering if you've looked at the Dangerous Music line of products...Monitor,MQ,Mixer and Summing if you're looking for high end transparent audio then you should check them out
at www.Dangerousmusic.com

[PRINCE JAMAL]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by genericperson
you mean buy a $300,000 ssl console instead of a $6k analog summing system?

i'm talking about premium quality, but still on a human financial scale!

unless there is some small 8 channel ssl summing box i don't know of? i only know of the 9000k rackmount stuff that came out at aes, none of which would fit this description. [/QUOTE


maybe 8 ssl502 eqs and 8 ssl 510 comps and 384 buss compressor can get you that ssl sound

check here they got theme in the rack for sale :******//www.recycledaudio.co.uk/products.html#

******//www.peterduncan.com/frames/equip.htm

[Wayne]

Originally posted by Fletcher
... or if you really have a jones for balanced power, run your stuff at 220v if you're in N. America [in N. America 220v comes out the wall as "balanced power"].

Would the two lines be out-of-phase by 120 or 240 degrees instead of 180?
Wayne

[Jay Kahrs]

IMHO about 80% of the SSL sound comes from the 2-buss comp. YMMV.

[genericperson]

thanks for all the tips, guys.

also i completely forgot api is getting into the 8 channel summing game. maybe strapping a bunch of ssl rackmounts onto the api would be a good way to go.

so many options here!

at this point in audio, what would be really interesting would be a "blank" console. moving faders, monitoring, etc. but no "guts". you would then load any 19" 1ru channel strip into each fader line, and then build your console that way. so you could have 8 channels of ssl, 8 of api, 8 of helios. that would be wild. maybe 16 channels that accept 1ru, and 8 that accept 2 ru.

but back to reality...

Originally posted by djui5
I love the 4K on hip/hop stuff. The 9K can't take the abuse..and the 4K eats it up. It also has that "grainy" sound that's good for rock to....

******//www.apiaudio.com/pdfs/8200brochure.pdf

That would work....I'd get that if I were you.

[axtrak]

Hi, SPL introduced at Musikmesse an interesting Summingbox. You have 16 inputs, switchable inserts , a limiter, switchable output transformer and more. I haven´t had a chance to try it, but it seems very cool to me, although i don´t think it sounds like an SSL 4k

Alex

[Fletcher]

Originally posted by ajcamlet
This is very interesting to me. Can you explain this a little further? I'm guessing you need to rewire everything from the box to wall ?

In N. America 220v power runs as 2 legs of 110v 180 degrees out of polarity with a Neutral and ground reference... each leg of the 110 references to the same neutral [a "balanced power box" does the same thing with 60v per leg with a 120v input voltage].

With regular wall power, you have a 3 pin plug... one is hot, one is neutral, the 3rd is ground. With 220v you have 4 leads, 2 are hot [and out of polarity with each other], a neutral and a ground... any "hash" on the incoming power 'phase cancels' and you drop your noise floor [the essence of balanced power]

While we're here... both the API and Dangerous 2 buss systems sound remarkably good... they may be worthy of your time to investigate both systems

Peace.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
IMHO about 80% of the SSL sound comes from the 2-buss comp. YMMV.

Jay,

Not really.

Most of the sound is in the dynamics and EQ of the channels, as well as its summing scheme(or lack their of).

I wish they could make a couple of the "black"channels in a rack.

I know many guys(including myself) who don't touch the 2 buss comp for 2 mix duties.

[djui5]

I agree Thrill...even without engaging the master comp the sound's still there...