Is Nuendo a way ?

[ISedlacek]

I have been working in PTLE all the time (and I love the software) but I start being seriously limited by the Digi 002 features. So I am setting for a small revolution: disposing Digi 002 and going for Lynx 22 with LS-AES which would take a perfect care of my 4 channels of Mytek and Millennia and full recording in 96 kHz. I must only change the software platform. I was suggested Nuendo as the best and even better than PT for audio recording and editing (I am not much interested in MIDI, VST instruments etc., just audio).
Well, I was browsing through it for a while and found that apart from some interesting things it lacks few basic , simple, transparent essential features which are present in PT and one would expect everywhere (like a simple overview at glance at any time for all tracks - pan, I/O, sends, inserts - one has to make a special research to find out about each of them. Click and play from the given point within a track does not work - you have to click outside the track. The waveforms are only black, plugin windows disappear etc. etc. Plus there is a big set of problems and bugs one can see in Nuendo forum).
It looks however interesting, I am not saying I would not go for it. Only I would like to ask - is it REALLY a stable, good, recommendable platform for a serious, professional acoustic music recording and editing , which can bring excellent results and user´s full comfort and satisfaction without feeling desperately homesick for ProTools ?
Or any other good options ? (no Logic, please)

Thanks,

Ivo

[StuartMac]

Samplitude 7 is fantastic.

[Knastratt]

Nuendo with a Houston controller is a great way to get the job done!

Actually Nuendo and Cubase share the same base of code such as audio engine etc. with the difference in surround handling and file format capability. (It looks diff as well.)

But for that extra 750€ peeple at GearZlut will at least get off your back.

[The MPCist]

Probably the best way to find out is to book an hour at a studio that has Nuendo... might be harder to find though as most of them are PT based.

Me, I've tried DP, Logic, and Nuendo. But never changed over cuz PT seemed the best for me.

It's all a personal opinion... whatever works for ya, works for ya!

[ISedlacek]

Yes, PT as a software is simply without any comparison, so clear, simple, easy and straightforward. The only problem is that unless you have HD system , the low end Digi hardware sucks.
Nuendo will be a compromise as a software, but compensated by non-compromise quality recordings with Lynx /Mytek/Millennia/96 kHz

[matucha]

I work with both cubase SX2 and NU2, I like that and don't plan to join alsihad. I think nuendo is fantastic for audio, I don't use MIDI so much, I thought about buying nuendo, but it was too expensive so I ended with SX2 and compared to NU2 I didn't loose anything I need. The interface is different and I prefer NU better however.

I don't know protools well, just only when recording somewhere... I tried the free, but it didn't work for me at all. Now nuendo and sx has full latency compensation that's very handy for complex routings etc. That's what I like. I know you are not keen about alchemy, but I'm ;-))).

I don't think it will sound worse on it's own than Protools...

If I have to moan, it could be more stable and better supported. Well, cracks crashed now and then, the original works nice, crashes are mostly due to some experimenting with freeware plugs ;-). I have also some problems with denormals... but thats a long story...

[YuriK]

Nuendo is definitely not an inferior software. On the contrary it is what PT wants to be. My HD3 software leaves alot to be desired in comparison. Editing, surround, midi, general sound are better in nuendo. The best native system IMO

YK

[stakeoutstudios]

If you don't need to use MIDI, for solid stable audio recording and mixing I recommend Sony Vegas 4.0

You'll be amazed by the interface - it's bliss for editing and mixing.

I use it with four Universal Audio UAD1s and an Echo Layla, fed by Manley and Universal Audio preamps.

My next upgrade is an Apogee Rosetta 800 which can hang off the Laya24 via lightpipe.

Jason

[kellyd]

Sounds like you've been talking to a PT user about Nuendo. Find a store or studio that has Nuendo and check it out for yourself. If you go to a store make sure there's someone who knows the software. Nuendo is very intuitive but don't expect everything to work the same way as PT. If it did then it would be PT. Give Nuendo a chance and I think you might be surprised how easy and productive it is. The only issue with Nuendo as far as I' m concerned is it you have a commercial studio it can be a bit difficult to deal witht the PT dominence in the market. For me it's not a problem since the artists I work with come to work with me not my software. Nuendo is not a compromise and certainly not inferior. K.

[Magnus]

I use Nuendo everyday. Very reliable and sounds great. Plus it's easy to use. 10 minutes and you've got the hang of all the basic functions including editing.

To me, Pro Tools is inferior, and when you think about what it costs and then compare features with other DAW's, it's even less attractive.

IMO Pro Tools users deserve a better piece of software because they pay serious money for it.

Magnus

[Ray Sigmond]

Nuendo is the way to go! We have two forums for Nuendo you can find a vast of information on.

Nuendo.com
******//forum.nuendo.com/cgi-bin/nuendo.com/Ultimate.cgi

Nuendo Post Production Forum
******//pub19.bravenet.com/forum/show...num=1555200241

also take a look at a program called MM-EDL
******//www.mm-edl.com/

MM-EDL is a professional audio project file format (EDL / ADL) converter. This highly accurate and reliable utility facilitates fast import and export of the most common professional audio project formats. Exceptional design ensures sample accurate positioning of events on the time line after conversion. No more shifting of events, as experienced in a variety of current import/export methods.

Steinberg Nuendo Page
******//www.steinberg.net/en/products...ndex.php?sid=0

[ISedlacek]

Thanks for your comments. I think Lynx and Nuendo will be a powerful combination. I browsed a bit more through the system and I think it is possible to master it and enjoy soon. The only thing which irritates me a bit is the impossibility to place the cursor at the point within a track I want to start playback . Why on earth I have to put it somewhere else ??

[fifthcircle]

Somebody else has mentioned it, but try Samplitude as well... Download the demo and play with it. Especially if you don't need the midi (It has it, but probably not as good as other sequencers). The sound and feature set is great and the latency compensation goes all the way to the object level.

--Ben

[Teacher]

lynxtwo and samplitude is a rock solid configuration. hasn't crashed on me yet!

[Ray Sigmond]

I use Nuendo with RME Digiface and it is a workhorse. RME or Lynx are both good choices. I like the Lynx AES16 XLR if your sysem is all XLR, and the new RME MADI is also worth looking at.

[tuna]

I'm using Lynx2 & Nuendo2 right now, the 2.1.2.28 version is very stable. I only used m-audio 1010 and Layla24 before, all I can say is Lynx2 is better than both, some say it can compete Apogee but don't had a chance to compare, I still think Lynx2 sounds flat.

I know most people prefer using P4, but if you're using PC and are going to use a lot of plugins, you better use K7, I am not selling K7 here, I have a K7 2500+ setup and still thinking P4 is better, so I build another P4 3G, than I just found out how nasty the normalization can get, almost render the P4 system useless, and the HT funtion might cause some trouble, now I only use my P4 for surfing the net and it's quite good for 3d games though. K7's performance is better than P4 on audio apps, you should take this into concideration.

[Ray Sigmond]

I use Nuendo with a P4 3GHz, Asus P4C800-E board and 2GB of Corsair RAM with Hyperthreading enabled and I do not have those problems at all. It performs rock solid.

[ISedlacek]

Originally posted by tuna

I know most people prefer using P4, but if you're using PC and are going to use a lot of plugins, you better use K7, I am not selling K7 here, I have a K7 2500+ setup and still thinking P4 is better,

I am going for a dual Xeon 2,8. It will be a real POWERhorse

[NathanEldred]

I haven't tried Nuendo 2.0, I'm on 1.6 and a little weary of upgrading due to rumors of buggyness. I agree with the recommendations for Samplitude, I've been on Samp since about 1999. I'm on 7.2 and getting great results. Any product that is setup for mastering must be a great multitracker as well (since samp is capable of both just as easily, which Nuendo is not).

[Marshall Simmons]

in nuendo 2 you can click on the ruler to place the start of playback

[tunesmith]

Ok... 2 things.

1. The bottom line is that if it works for you, it works. I did a session with someone on Cubase SX and I thought to myself, "well, that GUI kicks Logic's ass." But it wasn't persuasive enough for me to switch native platforms. I have a good friend who uses a lovely HD3 system. It's awesome, but for what I do I decided it would be overkill and unnecessary at this juncture. Try it out. Use what you like the best. There IS a reason so many people love PT and NU. There's also a reason SOOO many people love Logic.

2. Ok, so this is going to be a noob question, but curiosity is killing the cat. What does the term "Alisihad" mean? I assume it's some code for Digidesign based on context, but I don't know. I want to feel like part of the club... please make me feel cool.

Thanks... tunes.

[echorec]

Originally posted by tunesmith

2. Ok, so this is going to be a noob question, but curiosity is killing the cat. What does the term "Alisihad" mean? I assume it's some code for Digidesign based on context, but I don't know. I want to feel like part of the club... please make me feel cool.

Thanks... tunes.

Another name for ProTools, I think it was created by Mixerman at PSW.

[Ray Sigmond]

PINNACLE BUYS SAMPLITUDE ..................................................................................... Gotcha Nathan, lol

[fifthcircle]

That ain't gonna happen... They learned their lesson from Emagic.

--Ben

[AlphaDingo]

another vote for samplitude

[robdarling]

Samplitude is already part of Magix. That is where all the very hip edit features and conceptual stuff comes from- it is inherited from video/graphics programs.

[Ruphus]

And they have the most incredible software support on earth.
( Should in the opposite Steinjerk still have the same sort of support that they used to have then you must count simply with none, instead they would give out absolutely insufficient manuals in order to curl you into stupid expensive courses. No other SW manufacturer tactics that way.)
... And I´m willing to bet that no other host can come close to the easy manouvring during audio editing that it has. Should after all safe you hours over hours on a project.

I havn´t seen the later Steinjerk stuff ( they have scared me away for the rest of my life I guess ), but still estimate that PT is the number one when it is about intuitive layout and number last in coding.
The best of all as I´m almost sure must be Samplitude. Although I dislike its routing which seems just incompatible with my limited grey cells. ( Or the cause is maybe just a bug in my computer system although I thought to have just fixed it thoroughly yesterday. Need to find out yet. - Should you be lurking on this board, Ed, please lemme know what my syscheck is saying meanhwile.)

And ISedlacek, for the money you would be waisting on a Mac you could buy a nice piece of outboard. Macs IMHO made sense years ago, when PCs were a drag for audio work.


Ruphus

[AlphaDingo]

It comes with a fantastic help section and a pdf manual which is actually useful for a change... LOGIC... cough cough.

[Ruphus]

Originally posted by lomola
I never really found a need for the Stienberth manual - although I could see how that could be a problem. (I agree with you that it is easy to manouver within it.

I tried Sam and think it's a cool program - but I feel like it takes a much longer to learn and is more involved in terms of navigation. I though a person would be much more likely to need a manual for Samplitude...

Well, I don´t know how it would appear to me in the meantime, but years back I started from almost 0 and could had really needed a decent manual.

With easy manouvring I meant Samplitudes editing.

Its manual in my eyes isn´t too perfect. It is missing topologic paths ( if I can say so ), has too less description in general and its routing section seems no explanation to me so far.

But what I meant with best support ever ( besides Digi´s is great too at it, they used to answer all my enquiries within two days ) is that they seem to respond fast ( by an engineer so far, not temporary workers ) and further that as speciality they have a little application that can scan your system in detail and help them advice you for eventual causes of probs or possible solutions.

( Don´t know if they could be sitting now and laughing about old love letters which could potentially spice the online report - that app scans all discs -, but for valuable technical advice I´d grant that. )

Ruphus

[ISedlacek]

Originally posted by Ruphus
they would give out absolutely insufficient manuals in order to curl you into stupid expensive courses.

And ISedlacek, for the money you would be waisting on a Mac you could buy a nice piece of outboard. Macs IMHO made sense years ago, when PCs were a drag for audio work.


Ruphus

Well, as for the Nuendo manuals - I am just browsing through 700 pages of quite well and detailed written operation manual and 300 pages of getting started manual. So fo sure I would not call the manuals unsufficienttutt

As for Macs - no way to sponsor Apple any more ! You can get much more efficient and fast PC computers for a fraction of Mac price. It would be ridiculous to stay with Apple any more - especially here in Europe where Macs are yet 50% more expensive then in the US. For sure I will buy something nice for the saved money

Samplitude looks nice but there is no Samplitude guru around. But I have a Nuendo Guru ready to initiate me and nothing is impossible with a Guru´s grace