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| Duende, sounds great, but REALLY SUCKS, I MEAN - REALLY SUCKS | barryjohns | So much gear, so little time! | 13 | 27th December 2006 05:14 PM |
| this sucks ... | jwh1192 | Music computers | 12 | 8th October 2006 01:54 PM |
| well, that sucks..... | hollywood_steve | The Moan Zone | 0 | 16th March 2005 11:02 PM |
| which sucks less? | pdadda | So much gear, so little time! | 9 | 28th February 2004 05:31 PM |
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| Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2007
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| So I have this, erm .. friend ... yeah, and he's got a real lousy voice. Think Leonard Cohen doing a drunken duet with Rob Zombie. What would you put between him and the harddrive to make this abomination tolerable to an audience? Just your first instinct for a mic/pre/comp/eq chain. Got about a $5K budget. Not looking for miracles from any magic box, just to start with some good tools to try and polish this particular turd. |
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| Lives for gear | Is it just pitch? Melodyne is great. If it is *other things* then you are going to be polishing that turd until it turns to chocolate sauce. Send "him" to some vocal lessons.
__________________ Regards, Jim Richmond "I don't go to mythical places with strange men." Douglas Adams |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,522
| do a demo session/ do a fast mix/bounce and give to him/her. let them rrealize they suck by themselves and that they need to practice. |
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| | #4 |
| Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 224
| Why don't YOU get some vocal lessons and tell him about your experiences? Teach him or her. I read up here good microphones and good preamps are great for a good singer. He might need a bad microphone - to get results not like what your hearing. How about pitch shifting the whole thing down 25 cents? Does that help? Put a body bag of reverb on it and crank it up and give the "demo" to him. He will want to re-track it. If he/she doesn't, there is nothing you can do, right? |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downey, CA
Posts: 618
| I say get another singer......
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| | #6 |
| Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 224
| If you give me the track(s), I will try to convey the same emotion with My particular singing voice. PM me. edvdr75 is right. |
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| | #7 |
| Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 4
| Ok, "fire him", "go practice", etc might be wise advice, but this is gearslutz.com so c'mon and ***** some hardware. I'm sure lots of you have been in this situation before ... What would you reach for if it was some spoiled punk kid with a rich father paying your bills? |
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| | #8 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,562
| What do you use when the singer sucks? Earplugs ![]() |
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| | #9 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,178
| Distortion can do wonders |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium
Posts: 3,507
| If the pitch is ok, then roll with it! I think Axl Rose sounds like a baby being sucked into a vacuum cleaner. Never hurt him... ![]() |
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| | #11 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: No longer participating here.
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| OK if I were in your shoes i would probably go SM7, set flat, into a UA 610 cranked, into an LA-2A cranked. Comp enough takes for not only the one vocal track but also a doubling track, which you lowpass to remove annoying consonants and process differently and mix lower. Correct pitch, tasteful EQ/verb/delay, and bury in the mix by not making any space for the vocal. Consider doubling with another subliminal instrument like a synth pad or something to sweeten it if it's really awful. BTW don't feel so bad about your voice if this is really for you. ![]() |
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Nashville
Posts: 129
| The "all buttons pressed" mode on an 1176 or Distressor can do wonders for a weak singer jmp |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: PHITOWN
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Followed by Massey THC Followed by generous amounts of space echo W/overdubbed pro chick singers on harmonies All buried in a thick mix of orchestrated fuzz guitars/basses/blown-out drums. I had a client like that once. It's a fun challenge. You'll be surprised what you can do with it. | |
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| | #14 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Right here where I'm Stood
Posts: 1,577
| I'm a pretty poor singer, guitar is my main instrument. I'll take my time though doing take after take and then when I get something acceptable tweek it with Auto Tune. My main trick though is a lot of layered harmonies. e.g. the hookline in a chorus I'll track the lead vocal again, then sing a harmony usually a third above or below and pan it hard right, sing the same harmony again and pan it half right, sing it yet again and pan it about 10.00. Then sing a parallel 5th, 4th or combination counter melody and pan it hard left, and again, again... you see where I'm going. I usually end up with 12 to 16 tracks of my voice, sometimes a lot more. If you blend them right it doesn't sound like that many voices but just your voice thicker, fuller with thick full powerful harmonies. Try It Mic pre-wise I use a focusrite ISA220 at the moment but should have my 10 slot API rack at the end of the month with a 512c in there I track with very little compression. A tiny amount for smoothing from a P38 on the slower LA2A setting and about 1dB'ish on a C2 catching any peaks.
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| Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2003
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| Some good comments so far. I also say ditch him. A bad singer is a bad singer. If your music style is pretty heavy then try various layering with distortions, bit reduction, ringmods and the like and see if its too your taste, but in the end he either has or ... he sucks. ![]()
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| | #16 |
| Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London
Posts: 283
| why would anyone want to record a bad singer? a job is a job so you gotta swallow it and just go through the motions or if it breaks your spirit to record this character then you gotta pass the job up - pass him onto another 'friend' who would be more 'suitable' for his 'style'.......life is too short to dick around trying to make jokers sound passable.....he needs to wake up to himself - maybe you are the one to help him do that. |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Normandy, France & Austin, TX
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I wouldn't put 5 bucks in gear that could help a bad singer appear a tad less bad on a final mix... Acually I've become so very tired of spending hours editing bad drums and vocals that I'd now either refuse the job or record the band as it is (still with some reasonable editing work) and let the guys listen to how they really sound... Then they can take it or leave it, happy or not, but there's no way I'll get back to Hell anymore !... FWIW, Olivier... | |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NYC
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| Tune and edit the crap out of the vocal and have the guy double it (just for posterity's sake, say). Then, hire a pro singer to come in and "double" the part as well (don't tell the original singer). Try and match the rhythm as close as possible. Use the pro singer's voice underneath the crappy singer to support it. Mix the two voices to taste and ride the crap out of them. See just how much of the pro singer's voice you can get away with without the other singer noticing. Long notes are a great opportunity to push the pro voice by the way. Do the same with background vocals if necessary. Ahhhhh....the deception.......the agony.....the fun....... |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: US DEFCON 3
Posts: 6,702
| keep on with the session, and if he says, that sounds great what do you think ? i always go along with him and carry on. i do not want to tell him he sucks !!!! hell hes paying me and HE likes it. this only happens with older gospel artist at my place.
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| Gear addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney australia
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| a singing teacher, sorry couldn't help it he he he |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: tri state
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| triple track all lead vocals and fluff around it. maybe synths. auto tune- stadium delays and other tricks. how about sans amp or distort the vocal. make sure the vocal volume is right on edge with the music. not burried but fighting for level. layer-layer-layer! |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: US DEFCON 3
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I thought i would throw this in as a thinking point, some of my artist that can sing well cannot doulbe track well usless they are use to it, my question is that if the singer sucks most likely any stacking is gonna suck to, you will only have 3 sucky voice tracks that way. You just cannot turn water into wine unless you are GOD !!!!
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Foxboro, MA
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| | #24 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Philadelphia PA
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| Sucks how..?? Bad pitch? Unpleasent voice? No so easy on the eyes?? hello clarice..
__________________ Andrew "This game is really about being consistently "upper mediocre" on a regular basis. Brilliant on occasion and damn near never sucking" - Fletcher |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Right here where I'm Stood
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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| An Avalon vt737 and a nice large diaphragm. Crank the input til it's just growing some fuzz and then slam it with an 1176. Trim unwanted crap with favored eq and slather on a good chorus'y delay. Sound Toys would be my choice...Echo Boy, especially. ==Dan |
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