Bricasti M7 - Woohoooo!

[vernier]

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Casey, your avatar should be a Bricasti movie!

[fifthcircle]

Originally Posted by Casey

Unfortunatly no.

I can see your dilemma, however the conversion clocking path is as minimal as possible, and is not under software control.

-Casey

Bummer... That is a pretty serious limitation for my work. Not a total deal killer, but would certainly make things more difficult.

--Ben

[clusterchord]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

when switching back and forth, between verb units, the 4000 and PCM reverbs felt more detached from the sound source. Back to the M7, and the verb felt more closely engulfed or as if it naturally occurred that way. Back to the others and the verb would fall back away from the sound source feeling a bit detached. Why is this??? I don't know, but it was identified by several people on different occasions.

I've always liked the Lex 300 and the TC 4000 more than the PCM 91, but I didn't have a 300 to A/B. FWIW, I sold my 4000 and picked up an M7.[/FONT]

i also have 300, 4000 and a PCM-70

i feel the detachment of reverb from the dry source on 4000 as well. it sounds to me as if im really close to the source, and then that were both standing in this virtual hall ive chosen on the 4000. my Lex300 is more capable of glueing with the dry signal, making it go away, but not on all sources. funny enough my PCM-70 glues best of them all, when its peticular colour is applicable.

another problem i have with 4000, that i don't with lexicons is - dissapearing in the mix. it seems its either not present enough, leaving the signal too dry, or when i raise the reverb rtn, it sdnly gets too much and soupy.

i had best luck with 4000 in scarcer, acoustic or ambient arrangements (w fewer instr), and in audio post duties - i .e. mono room recreation etc.. beautiful. VSS3 room sounds great on drums, and i also dig its EMT emulation the best ive heard os far, including UADs.

so now reading the posts on M7, and hearing the beautiful cello examples, i'm toying with the same idea - replacing 4000 with M7.


so, how did this change work out for you, applications etc - can you spare a few more comments comparing 4000, 300 and M7 ?

thanks
Tom

[GYang]

Originally Posted by clusterchord

so, how did this change work out for you, applications etc - can you spare a few more comments comparing 4000, 300 and M7 ?

thanks
Tom

I have all 3 now (waiting for PCM96 to arrive these days, too).

4000 is usually my working horse for clean reverbs, but this changed with arrival of M7. Still I'll not sell 4000, it's same top class reverb and VSS4 is awesome.
Lex 300 cannot be replaced by M7, as completely different (complementary) thing and I can always find use for it (not only as main reverb BTW).
PCM 96, if clean to extent I expect, might push me to get rid of 4000 (still I have nothing but good emotions for this box).
If budget is tight and you have to keep just one, I dare to say that overall M7 brings more to table than TC 4000.

[vernier]

Won't be needing anything to complement my M7.

[patrox247]

Originally Posted by vernier

Won't be needing anything to complement my M7.

What about music?

[Mastering101]

Bricasti has no word clock? I couldn't believe that..in the digital age...

[vernier]

it the digital age ..it the digital age ..HEE!

[GYang]

Originally Posted by vernier

Won't be needing anything to complement my M7.

Well I appreciate your minimalism.
Just not my style

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by vernier

it the digital age ..it the digital age ..HEE!

it duh digital age..you have duh cowboy hat and duh belt buckle

[clusterchord]

Originally Posted by GYang

I have all 3 now (waiting for PCM96 to arrive these days, too).

4000 is usually my working horse for clean reverbs, but this changed with arrival of M7. Still I'll not sell 4000, it's same top class reverb and VSS4 is awesome.
Lex 300 cannot be replaced by M7, as completely different (complementary) thing and I can always find use for it (not only as main reverb BTW).
PCM 96, if clean to extent I expect, might push me to get rid of 4000 (still I have nothing but good emotions for this box).
If budget is tight and you have to keep just one, I dare to say that overall M7 brings more to table than TC 4000.

thanks for the info . i do have love/hate relationship with 4000, and since i plan to get Orville or something Eventide in that price range, for more ambient/4ad/cinematic stuff, i can only afford to keep one more hi end board next to 300. yes theyre not the same price range, but if i do go for M7, 4000 will have to go.

otoh, i'll wait for some user experiences and demos of PCM 96. so far, im flooored by realism of M7 - i had some of my music performed by classical musicians in sml/med halls chambers, and this board definetely has captured the beauty of that sound, at least judging by the cello and strgs mp3s examples..

[vernier]

im flooored by realism of M7

That sums it up perfectly.

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

Bricasti has no word clock? I couldn't believe that..in the digital age...

ok i found my answer. when running digital it will clock to the in coming digital source..which is fine but i have a habbit of useing my big ben for clocking. everything i use it with the converters sound better..maybe the Brisasti
will do fine on its own....the price just went up? why? 3599 to 3799..is this the end all reverb

[vernier]

the price just went up? why? 3599 to 3799..is this the end all reverb

And back ordered. Seems everybody wants one.

[GYang]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

the price just went up? why? 3599 to 3799..is this the end all reverb

Compared to new Lexicon PCM96 seems that M7 is sonically arguably better reverb (heard from people who tried both, as I still wait for my PCM to arrive).
So, if you want the best pay more. Market. Fair.
Period.

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by GYang

Compared to new Lexicon PCM96 seems that M7 is sonically arguably better reverb (heard from people who tried both, as I still wait for my PCM to arrive).
So, if you want the best pay more. Market. Fair.
Period.

i just put in an order for both units

[lucey]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

i just put in an order for both units

you're a nut that's the spirit

[redrue]

Originally Posted by vernier

And back ordered. Seems everybody wants one.

Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
-- Emerson


Anyone in Texas getting one of these?

[ISedlacek]

Here are short male and female vocal samples (about 6 sec each). In the first zip file they are processed through 20 various Bricasti presets (various plates, halls, chambers, rooms etc.). In the second one through 8 Lexicon PCM-91 presets. A friend -Mr.Carloff - just sent it to me. I found it very interesting:

Bricasti vocal samples

Lexicon vocal samples

These are wavs and the zip files are not very small (Bricasti 45 MB, Lexicon 19 MB).

Enjoy ...

[vernier]

Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door...

Napoleon Hill stole that.

[Mind-Over-Midi]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

i just put in an order for both units

You've got me all excited.

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by Mind-Over-Midi

You've got me all excited.

LOL..Its a lot of money for the Bricasti reverb and I think its one engine?
Where can I find documentation on this unit..Maybe Casey will let me come down
since I'm here in ma. He has invited me before..I expect alot from this unit in the Acoustic music department.. I don’t mind paying for a new sound and technology.

[Erik Papp]

You are invited! Casey is out of the country at the moment. I have confirmed that Brian can demo a unit at his location for you. You have my number. I can put you in touch with him.

My Best

Erik P. Papp
Summit Audio Inc
US Bricasti Distributor
775-782-8838

[studio3]

That depends on the style of music your making. To me,...the bricasti halls sound pretty good,... but I'm not really hearing that in comercial pop music. I think there excellent for that orchestral stuff though, and If I had an extra $3500. I'd surely get one. Carefull though,...some things sound awesome when soloed but don't fit quite well In the mix of things. Now on second thought,...I could use that $3500. in better places!

Originally Posted by Omicron_9

Led,

Yikes, that is a sweet verb. I'm using a PCM-91 and a Rumour at present, but am starting to wonder if I need to look for an additional rack space.

I have had a few conversations with Brian Zolner, and he had told me that the BSO was using an M7 for some recordings and he was having a hard time getting it back from them. Amazing when you consider that their space is Boston Symphony Hall; I've been there many times and I can say it's not a bad sounding space (understatement). <understatement>

Thanks for posting the samples; the clear hall and the BSO hall were my faves. Very clean and detailed.

Regards,
-0.9</understatement>

[Omicron_9]

Originally Posted by studio3

That depends on the style of music your making. To me,...the bricasti halls sound pretty good,... but I'm not really hearing that in comercial pop music. I think there excellent for that orchestral stuff though, and If I had an extra $3500. I'd surely get one. Carefull though,...some things sound awesome when soloed but don't fit quite well In the mix of things. Now on second thought,...I could use that $3500. in better places!

studio3,

Since I posted the post you quoted, I did sell my other two verbs, and now have an M7 in the racks. I love it; exactly what I wanted and had been seeking. Like any other piece of gear, there's rarely one piece that's perfect for everyone. I can only say that this is perfect for me and what I wanted to hear, which is natural acoustic spaces, like halls, e.g. None of my recording is commercial pop; it's all acoustic chamber/classical type recording.

I think the only way to better the M7 would be to take up residence in Boston's Symphony Hall .

Kind regards,
-0.9

[ISedlacek]

I tried Bricasti again at a friend´s place. It sounds great but comparing to Lexicon or TC the Bricasti reverbs seem in general not sounding that broad as those two (I mean stereo width), they seem to go rather straight and deep. What do you think ?

[studio3]

Thanks for posting these same samples through the pcm91. I have a pcm91,...and to me, from what I here in comparision,...the Bricasti sounds better and when I get the chance, I'm going to trade in and get one! The bricasti sounds like what I want. The pcm91 just keeps sounding the same with no variety no matter how its edited. By the way, these pro reverb units should'nt need tons of editing to sound good or give you what you want, IMO.Here is the promised Rob´s cello sample processed through Lexicon PCM-91:

PCM 91 Cello Concert Hall


PCM 91 Cello Medium Hall


PCM 91 Cello Organ Room

Of course, the settings and presets are not identical with Bricasti samples - it is just for a general sound picture ... (maybe I made it slightly more wet ?)

Could someone please process the same sample with Quantec Yardstick ?[/quote]

[ISedlacek]

Any comments about the stereo width feeling of Bricasti reverbs ? (comparing to Lexicon)

[GYang]

Originally Posted by ISedlacek

Any comments about the stereo width feeling of Bricasti reverbs ? (comparing to Lexicon)

Seems Lex does that artificial widening.
For bad or good, sometimes it's real thing. I can't say that I prefer Bricasti always over Lexicon, some textures are deeper and wide with Lex, specially when I neeed to'hear' reverb in action.
IMO for your music Bricasti is safe bet, still one reverb can't be enough in studio.

[lucey]

Speculation about these units is not the way to shop. As always get a demo and listen in your studio. The "width" of either, or of anything, is a function of L/R differences which are controllable by the user. There is not fixed width to debate or to use as a criteria. The tonality of each should be your guide.