Bricasti M7 - Woohoooo!

[bit mangler]

Any comparisons wrt the 480L?

[mixerguy]

Originally Posted by GYang

TC M4000 is great reverb for many applications, but Lex sound is what only Lex produces.
To some extent Lex M300 (for average price of around 1500 bucks 2nd hand) helps to add Lex's touch (in its more modern sounding variant) without need to have some legendary, but way too old machines with all headaches or to overpay for 960.
Now the point is if Bricasti interprets beloved Lex sound appropriately for the price (or at all) or we just get another new, nice reverb outside the box.

It should offer more than M4000 + M300 combined for its price.

TC 4000 is not a Lexicon product... or did i misunderstand you?

[Led]

[quote=GYang;1320592]Now the point is if Bricasti interprets beloved Lex sound appropriately for the price (or at all) or we just get another new, nice reverb outside the box.
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Hi, my impressions of the unit are that it's not a Lexi clone, rather it's own thing. I think some of the clone madness across the board with gear is fading a little which IMHO is a good thing or we'll just be replicating the 70s and 80s for ever. To me the spaces are more 'real' although as Ivo mentioned there are a lot of parameters you can tweek if you want a more dreamy modulated type of thing. I don't imagine buying this unit would mean selling your Lexis, rather add another tool to your belt. But that's what gearslutz is about hey....
re the remote q - It mentions a remote in the manual (M10) and says that with the remote loop thru one remote can controll up to 4 units. No idea what it looks like, be interested to see.
Cheers

[rwhitney]

I still miss having a 960L (had one for 2 years), and judging from these samples, I doubt the Bricasti will replace it. I'm not hearing the magic there (though the chamber on the strings is nice, imo.) Could be wrong, though, because I haven't actually used the M7.

[SnakeCained]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

so like tc electronic reverb?

No thats what I liked. It didn't sound like a TC

[GYang]

Originally Posted by mixerguy

TC 4000 is not a Lexicon product... or did i misunderstand you?

TC M4000 is TC of course and point was that TC does OK when cleanish reverberations considered. So, it would not be particularly interesting if Bricasti goes in that direction.
IMO most potential buyers look for updated technology and less expensive, but still beloved 'Lex sound' solution.

[Mind-Over-Midi]

Enough of all the Lex stuff, if you want a Lex go buy one! It's time for the manufactures to move on already! The 480L came out when fifteen, twenty years ago? I wanna see what can be done now, with todays state of the art technology. Can't wait to give this Bricasti a test drive.

[Sunbreak Music]

I saw one at TapeOpCon, but unfortunately didn't get to hear it.

I was told the same thing, about $3500 retail.

Also said it would be out in less than 2 weeks.

[robot gigante]

Originally Posted by Mind-Over-Midi

Enough of all the Lex stuff, if you want a Lex go buy one! It's time for the manufactures to move on already! The 480L came out when fifteen, twenty years ago? I wanna see what can be done now, with todays state of the art technology. Can't wait to give this Bricasti a test drive.

Well, me too! The reason I think people want to compare it with the classic Lexi stuff is because the 480L still sounds the best, and it would be nice to have a new reverb at that price point that sounds as good (doesn't mean it has to sound the same the same per se...). If it doesn't sound even as good as the 960 that would be a bummer.

I'm hoping for something that is head and shoulders above a PCM 91, that's for sure!

Definitely want to give this box a test drive though.

[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by robot gigante

Well, me too! The reason I think people want to compare it with the classic Lexi stuff is because the 480L still sounds the best, and it would be nice to have a new reverb at that price point that sounds as good (doesn't mean it has to sound the same the same per se...). If it doesn't sound even as good as the 960 that would be a bummer.

I'm hoping for something that is head and shoulders above a PCM 91, that's for sure!

Definitely want to give this box a test drive though.

If you want something that totally blows the 91 away take a look at a Kurzweil KSP8.
Plus you get the equivalent of either 4 stereo or 8 mono processors all in one box. It's like having 4 91's except these sound MUCH better

[robot gigante]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

If you want something that totally blows the 91 away take a look at a Kurzweil KSP8.
Plus you get the equivalent of either 4 stereo or 8 mono processors all in one box. It's like having 4 91's except these sound MUCH better

Point is that it's not that ****ing hard to blow away the 91... Something close to the level of the 480L or some of the other classic greats (in other words also better than the 960, don't like the 960 as much) but new is what I was hoping they could pull off with this box. I don't mean that it has to sound the same, just sound as good/be as useful.

Therefore, the posts where people are comparing the Bricasti to a PCM 91 are discouraging.

The sound samples sound pretty good, the chamber on the strings was the only one that really grabbed my attention. I guess I'll just have to try it sometime and draw my own conclusions.

[Mastering101]

When I hear those clips all I hear is an off shoot of tc electronic rev 4000

[Audio Hombre]

i haven't heard anything that would make me give up the dual engine M5000 that I use.

[d_fu]

Ivo,

Sorry for hijacking, but I'd really be interested in some comparisons between Altiverb and hardware units like the Bricasti...

Been considering Altiverb as a replacement for Samplitude's internal convolution, which is ok most of the time, but surely canbe improved upon...

Daniel

[Musiclab]

I would say to be fair, the only way to tell whats really up with this piece is to bring it into your own place and be sure you love it. When the KSP 8 first came around George Gleason who used to hang around here arranged for me to demo it for abit. It clearly blew away what I owned, which included a PCM 90 with the Dual Reverb card, an M3000, and a Dynacord DRP20 amongst others. So I did what any responsible
Slut would do. I bought it. For me to get a Bricasti, it would have to stomp my KSP to death

[GYang]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

I would say to be fair, the only way to tell whats really up with this piece is to bring it into your own place and be sure you love it. When the KSP 8 first came around George Gleason who used to hang around here arranged for me to demo it for abit. It clearly blew away what I owned, which included a PCM 90 with the Dual Reverb card, an M3000, and a Dynacord DRP20 amongst others. So I did what any responsible
Slut would do. I bought it. For me to get a Bricasti, it would have to stomp my KSP to death

KSP 8 is great value for money.
I didn't keep it because of 95% of ground is covered by arguably better reverbs in my case, but it's definitely worth attention.
IMFHO if designers expect Bricasti to compete with 'modern' sounding reverbs without achieving very close or full ressemblance to 'best Lex sounds' it will be not so appealing to many potential buyers or it should bring to table something really new and stunning.
I didn't get impression that something like that already happenned.
DO we have right to expect so much?
We are gearslutzs, so if not the best why one should spend on it

[Led]

Originally Posted by GYang

IMFHO if designers expect Bricasti to compete with 'modern' sounding reverbs without achieving very close or full ressemblance to 'best Lex sounds' it will be not so appealing to many potential buyers or it should bring to table something really new and stunning.
I didn't get impression that something like that already happenned.
DO we have right to expect so much?
We are gearslutzs, so if not the best why one should spend on it

Hmmm...well Gyang, you do seem to love the Lexi sound so why not just keep buying Lexis? (keep an eye on ebay Japan) I think to get a suitable impression of the M7, as has been said, those who want to try it really need to demo it in their own room and play with the parameters to see if it suits them and will bring another tool to their belt. I don't know many (read as any) high end engineer/producers who would buy or pass on something based off a few mp3's on a forum.........but each to his own.
Happy mixing,
Led

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by GYang

KSP 8 is great value for money.
I didn't keep it because of 95% of ground is covered by arguably better reverbs in my case, but it's definitely worth attention.

Yes good unit .. I sold mine too for the same reasons..
I just didn't seem to use it as much as I thought I would.
the manual is like a small novel..lot of stuff you can do routing wise
Also not a big fan of the Kurzweil menus and layout.


I'm still waiting to get a demo Bricasti..put it up against all the usual suspects[480,140,etc].

Yeah ..mp3's aren't a good way to judge these things..gotta hear it in person for sure.

[GYang]

Originally Posted by Led

Hmmm...well Gyang, you do seem to love the Lexi sound so why not just keep buying Lexis?

Fair.
I have several Lexs and I sold 480 for quite right price, as I didn't wish to keep pretty old machine without any real technical support here.
960 didn't convince me to shell out 8-10k.
So, anything that is new and smells like good ol' Lex would be welcome

[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by GYang

Fair.
I have several Lexs and I sold 480 for quite right price, as I didn't wish to keep pretty old machine without any real technical support here.
960 didn't convince me to shell out 8-10k.
So, anything that is new and smells like good ol' Lex would be welcome

So now you got me curious, since you dont have a 480, and you dont have a 960, what Lex other than those do you think sounds better than the KSP8?
And Roundbadge, yeah when you first start messing around with the KSP8 the menus are a bit of a pain. But there are plenty of default setups, that you can use, especially with the RSP8. I was up and running with it pretty quickly and havent looked back. Maybe because I made it my 1st 4 verbs that I use, but I find to it be
incredibly useful, and pretty much have never not found what I needed.

[theother]

Originally Posted by GYang

KSP 8 is great value for money.
I didn't keep it because of 95% of ground is covered by arguably better reverbs in my case, but it's definitely worth attention.

Sold my KSP8 too. Wasn't very impressed with the reverb. An Eventide is head an shoulders above the KSP, easier to operate and sounds way better.

I'm getting the M7 soon. Curious how it is...

I don't want it to be a 480. I already have one. I want something new, with lots of character and good quality.

I'm a bit of a reverb slut.... 480L, SREV1, Dynatron 255, SRV2000, PCM70, R880, Dynacord DRP20X, H8000FW, Eventide 2016, Sony R7, Demeter Spring, UAD-1 EMT, AltiVerb, IK CSR, selfmade samples for my SREV1 of Lex 224, AMS RMX16, Quantec, Klark Teknik, EMT plates, Sony 777 library...

Ok... I know... I need help.

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by theother

I don't want it to be a 480. I already have one. I want something new, with lots of character and good quality.

Same here..looking for something new/different to the arsenal..I was very impressed the few times I've played with it[M-7]

[GYang]

Originally Posted by theother

I'm a bit of a reverb slut.... 480L, SREV1, Dynatron 255, SRV2000, PCM70, R880, Dynacord DRP20X, H8000FW, Eventide 2016, Sony R7, Demeter Spring, UAD-1 EMT, AltiVerb, IK CSR, selfmade samples for my SREV1 of Lex 224, AMS RMX16, Quantec, Klark Teknik, EMT plates, Sony 777 library...

Cool
Will be great to hear your opinion when you try Bricasti.
BTW do you find much of use for Eventide 2016?

[Led]

Originally Posted by theother

I'm a bit of a reverb slut.... 480L, SREV1, Dynatron 255, SRV2000, PCM70, R880, Dynacord DRP20X, H8000FW, Eventide 2016, Sony R7, Demeter Spring, UAD-1 EMT, AltiVerb, IK CSR, selfmade samples for my SREV1 of Lex 224, AMS RMX16, Quantec, Klark Teknik, EMT plates, Sony 777 library...

Wow you are a slut..lut...ut..ut...t I'm a big fan of the Quantec.

[theother]

Originally Posted by GYang

Cool
Will be great to hear your opinion when you try Bricasti.
BTW do you find much of use for Eventide 2016?

Will be a while... First I have to build walls and a roof for my new room. Ask me in a year....

[kosi]

Well, after listening to the demos posted here, I have the feeling, that the Bricasti has the same quality as my EMT 252 and my Quantec, namely to disappear in the listeners ear.
What I mean is, that even if you use a good amount of reverb, it doesn't sound "verby".
You hear it very good in the percussionloop-demos of ISedlacek. The reverb of the 91 is very good identifiable, while it's difficult, to "locate" the Bricasti.

I once owned the PCM 90 and sold it, because I could hear it "too much" if you know what I mean. The main character of the sound was altered too much. Same with the 300. Not so with the 960 (which I like, but too expensive)

I hope, I'm understandable
and hopefully I get my Demo asap.....

[ISedlacek]

Originally Posted by kosi

the percussionloop-demos of ISedlacek.

No loops .... these are real players playing in real time ...

As for seemingly more obvious Lexicon reverb , I found that with the same settings (decay) Lexicon tends to sound a bit longer than Bricasti. After shortening the decay in Lexicon, it became more similar.
Yes, the Bricasti plates are a bit more dense and invisible than PCM-91. But for longer halls, I somehow prefered Lexicon (for my use and taste)

Anyway, while being almost perfect and admirable, it did not appeal to me that much that I would think of buying it. It inspired me for changing my PCM-91 for 300 L

[kosi]

Originally Posted by ISedlacek

No loops .... these are real players playing in real time ...
Oh sorry for that Sounds very good !

Habe you ever checked a Quantec ?

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by kosi

Not so with the 960 (which I like, but too expensive)

I hope, I'm understandable
and hopefully I get my Demo asap.....

I agree the 960l is a great machine..I don't know why people say its so expensive.
its comparable to the system 6000"full system"..I know you get a few more add ons but nothing valuable to me..I've owned a 6000 and I've used md4 that's about it..md4 doesn't compare to analog. not even close...I think the lex 960 is the best reverb I've heard. like you say it has invisible quality's and make things gel together

[Mastering101]

ps. im not saying i couldn't use a 6000...both would be nice