any sonic differences between a 1176 diy kit and an 1176 clone sold by companies...

ine-kpro... · 4th June 2007

whats the sonic differences in the diy kits of 1176 and the ones companies like purple audio and ua sell. i seen how purple audio sold mc76 diy kits. anyone made one and noticed any difference to the companies one that they sell, even if there are slight discrepencies in parts used?

Fletcher · 4th June 2007

It'll depend on how good a job you do of putting it together... but if you do a good job it'll be exactly like the production model.

Barish · 4th June 2007

Yep.

I've heard clones that sounded better than their "originals", but hey, they were "a clone" and the others were "the original"...

Of course I've heard atrociously awful sounding clones on the way as well...

But on the other hand, I've heard many "original" units that I didn't like either, so...

Descriptions like "original" and "clone" refer to real world situations, whereas descriptions like "good" and "bad" strictly depend on each person's mileage.

You know what I mean...

B.

toolz · 4th June 2007

I've built most of the 1176 clones, repaired countless Urei models and even fooled with adding Neve front ends. I now have a range of 1176 clones that I like on different sources.

The now discontinued MC76 'Purple kit' (Class A Rev E Blackface) was a totally fantastic minimal starting point.. and without instructions your left to your own devices to complete the build, both in terms of parts and hookup. This has more balls than the Mnats version, very cool on Bass guitar and Lead Vocals.

Mnats is now doing a Class A (rev D Blackface) pcb set and I'd totally recommend this, I built mine with an Altran UTC clone/Purple Tpad front end and a CineMag backend. Other easier to find configurations can be implemented also. I like this better on drums and "all buttons in" over the purple.

The G1176 is a Class AB based on a later Rev Silverface with an IC front end, The pair I have here I use quite a bit on Acoustic guitars, they don't have as much gain as the earlier Class A monsters and they don't hold the tone in extreme compression.

It's defo not a cheap way to get an 1176.. what you don't spend on a retail unit... you'll spend in time, blood, sweat and maybe tears!

good luck if you go for it

6dyslexicelephnt · 4th June 2007

I was wondering how much it costs to make the G1176 kit with the PCBs premade?

I'm a college student and my time is worth practically nothing because it's hard to get a minimum wage job.

Is it worth MY time?

I'm hoping you say yes and it costs 300 to build because that would be much better than it costing 800 and taking 3 weeks to build. I'm recording bands for $10/hr, and I need some better compression than my Pro VLA

thanks

toolz · 4th June 2007

6dyslexicelephnt, defo is worth your time.

Don't get me wrong, the G1176 is a wicked compressor that will do.. the 10 to 2 in your face vocal sound and all the usual things you would expect from a '76.

It A-B's just fine to the retail Urei silverface I have here.

And the best thing is..this can be built on your kind of budget.

tragedybysyntax · 22nd April 2009

So I'm pretty serious about building a 1176 clone...... what's the best way to do this? Is there a kit that has instructions of how to do it then just make your own front panel or? THANKS!

Lasermonkey · 22nd April 2009

I bought a couple of MNats' rev J pcbs and just followed the info on his site. It worked first time, but I have a fair bit of experience with making/testing PCBs. I do think it's pretty easy though and there's some very helpful people over at the Prodigy Pro forum, should you need any help.
I made a 2-channel unit with a stereo link switch. If you do this, you'll need to do some FET matching, but there is a circuit for a FET matcher somewhere on the P Pro site. Oh, and I also found a 1kHz oscillator circuit off the interweb for the calibration procedure.

I'm absolutely loving the 2-1176 for drums, especially in slam mode.
If there's anything specific you want to know, just holler.

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Barish Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Istanbul, Turkey Posts: 1,703	Yep. I've heard clones that sounded better than their "originals", but hey, they were "a clone" and the others were "the original"... Of course I've heard atrociously awful sounding clones on the way as well... But on the other hand, I've heard many "original" units that I didn't like either, so... Descriptions like "original" and "clone" refer to real world situations, whereas descriptions like "good" and "bad" strictly depend on each person's mileage. You know what I mean... B.

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toolz Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bristol UK Posts: 304	I've built most of the 1176 clones, repaired countless Urei models and even fooled with adding Neve front ends. I now have a range of 1176 clones that I like on different sources. The now discontinued MC76 'Purple kit' (Class A Rev E Blackface) was a totally fantastic minimal starting point.. and without instructions your left to your own devices to complete the build, both in terms of parts and hookup. This has more balls than the Mnats version, very cool on Bass guitar and Lead Vocals. Mnats is now doing a Class A (rev D Blackface) pcb set and I'd totally recommend this, I built mine with an Altran UTC clone/Purple Tpad front end and a CineMag backend. Other easier to find configurations can be implemented also. I like this better on drums and "all buttons in" over the purple. The G1176 is a Class AB based on a later Rev Silverface with an IC front end, The pair I have here I use quite a bit on Acoustic guitars, they don't have as much gain as the earlier Class A monsters and they don't hold the tone in extreme compression. It's defo not a cheap way to get an 1176.. what you don't spend on a retail unit... you'll spend in time, blood, sweat and maybe tears! good luck if you go for it

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tragedybysyntax Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 72	So I'm pretty serious about building a 1176 clone...... what's the best way to do this? Is there a kit that has instructions of how to do it then just make your own front panel or? THANKS!

22nd April 2009	#8
Lasermonkey Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 136	I bought a couple of MNats' rev J pcbs and just followed the info on his site. It worked first time, but I have a fair bit of experience with making/testing PCBs. I do think it's pretty easy though and there's some very helpful people over at the Prodigy Pro forum, should you need any help. I made a 2-channel unit with a stereo link switch. If you do this, you'll need to do some FET matching, but there is a circuit for a FET matcher somewhere on the P Pro site. Oh, and I also found a 1kHz oscillator circuit off the interweb for the calibration procedure. I'm absolutely loving the 2-1176 for drums, especially in slam mode. If there's anything specific you want to know, just holler.