Frank Filipetti - 5 Kick Drum Mics

[cdog]

This guy speaks my language.

There's an article in the March issue of EM where he talks about recording drums for the new Korn album...

Has some cool techniques - ****ing with with the phase of the 5 mics instead of using EQ, he seems to mention using a lot of AT mics though, I'm guessing he's sponsored.

[kevinc]

For christ sakes!

I`m trying to get it down to where I use 3 mics for the entire set and this guys using 5 just on the kick.

[BrianT]

5 kick mikes is a good thing? Hmmmm. I think somewhere closer to 5 drum mikes is a good thing.

I don't think I would have admitted doing that, myself. It's one of those things that will probably make him go "What was I thinking?" when he reads it, about 5 years from now.

I've got some of those, myself.


Regards,
Brian T

[warhead]

I have not read that article yet, but is he sampling the kick this way? I heard Korn's last album was mixed using Drumagog to trigger samples of his kit.

That's a LOT of bleed during mixdown so I'm sure he's just sampling hits.

?

War

[Robotnik]

dfegad Filipetti is all about the bullshit talk.

[stealthbalance]

korn huh..........
am i the only one here that thinks that korn should retire?
i beleive that korn's new album is musically very weak. andy wallace or not,
it does sound cool i guess , however being that michael beinhorn produced it, this album probably cost at the very least 2 million dollars. i dont know for sure - i am only assuming based on past beinhorn tales - but if thats true, that is really sad. especially because i dont think this album did that well. filipetti and beinhorn have an endorsement deal i think with audio technica , so they are probably getting there mics for free or half price , which at full retail these AT mics are not even the cost of catering for the day. i just hits me as being all weird. good thing they used 5 bass drum mics though.
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[David Herbert]

Maybe the guy has a five bass drum setup, so he can spin on his drum stool (er, throne) and go "around the world".
I heard the Korn album was one of the most expensive ever recorded. David

[Lindell]

Normally I use 19 mics on the kick, just to get that original flava. The only preamps I use is Dw Fearn.
But then again, I always soundreplace the kick with a Bob Clearmountain sample.



......just kidding!fuuck

[Steve Smith]

Originally posted by Robotnik
dfegad Filipetti is all about the bullshit talk.

Ladies and gents, the pot has now officially called the kettle black.

[jbuntz]

I hope this is bullshit. I heard the same thing about drumagog.

[drew]

FYI--Wallace and Beinhorn weren't involved in the newest one. Is it me or do these records sound very digital? The high end is very "fake" sounding and grating. The last 2 records are like this and the only constant is Filipetti.
just an observation.
drew

[cdog]

Originally posted by Robotnik
dfegad Filipetti is all about the bullshit talk.

Filipetti is all about scoring the big $$,$$$

No comment on the music... but if you've ever recorded a band with an extremely dense sound, you know why having multiple "options", especially for the kick, is crucial.

Give the AE2500 a listen...

YMMV

[mitgong]

Originally posted by Lindell
Normally I use 19 mics on the kick, just to get that original flava.

Normally I use 33 mics on the kick, but I spend most of the week before we record summing the proper balance of those mics to just one track, because I believe in committing to a sound, and not getting bogged down in options come time to mix.

Also, I deliver a "kick drum only" mix to mastering.

[heinz]

I think the Korn guys wore out a mouse & a keyboard doing just the drum edits alone.

[Hans Hitmachine]

It's all because modern kids want 5 bassdrum mics, or else they don't buy the record and they get angry with their parents and start to trow with skateboards and refuse to eat their happy meals. Or they even kill themselves and leave a note with "**** korn" on it.
I think that Fillipeti guy (never heard of him) is a good man for doing that.
Now get 5 five microphones and make sure everyone of them is out of phase and you got that killer korn bassdrum sound to die for too.

[Schnert]

Originally posted by mitgong
Normally I use 33 mics on the kick, but I spend most of the week before we record summing the proper balance of those mics to just one track, because I believe in committing to a sound, and not getting bogged down in options come time to mix.

Also, I deliver a "kick drum only" mix to mastering.

Normally I use 67 mics on the kick. But we specialize in kick miking, so the rest of the drumset is recorded elsewhere. Usually we'd split each track into three freq bands and compress each differently, but we may also end up just using 50 of the mics and some 10-20 mults.

Usually this sounds pretty bad, so, like Lindell, we strap a sound replacer on each track, bus the tracks, and then a final sound replacer on the bus.

Works like a charm.

[bassmac]

Five kick mic’s!

I think these guys just set-up a bunch of elaborate mic’ing technics to impress everybody and justify the studio’s cost.

When the band goes home - it’s Amp Farm and Sound Replacer.

[kevinc]

Originally posted by Schnert
Normally I use 67 mics on the kick. But we specialize in kick miking, so the rest of the drumset is recorded elsewhere. Usually we'd split each track into three freq bands and compress each differently, but we may also end up just using 50 of the mics and some 10-20 mults.

Usually this sounds pretty bad, so, like Lindell, we strap a sound replacer on each track, bus the tracks, and then a final sound replacer on the bus.

Works like a charm.

I do pretty close to the same without the 2 buss sound replacer.

I`m a purist.

[drmad69]

I think 5 just means he placed 3 wrong.

[cdog]

No offense taken guys... but have you ever looked at Filipetti's credits?

The guy is a world class engineer by any measure. The conception that he throws up 5 mics just for the band and the secretly soundreplaces one of them, is cute. It made me smile. The guys in Korn couldn't give a rats ass how many mics he puts up.

Brain, I'm not sure what kind of music you track, but I'm guessing Nashville ain't the home of hardcore or black metal (not that Korn are either).

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

do you guys mix as well as you crack jokes???? I'd like a listen...

[TheTruffleKing]

If I used 5 mics on the kick, I'd have none left to mic the rest of the kit...maybe I could record just one SM57 kick track and bounce 4 additional tracks through an Antares mic modeler!

[jbuntz]

I generally use one mic and mult it 21 times and I flip the phase on 10 of them so you end up with the same thing as if you just used one channel on kick. Make sure that any processing applied to the 10 out of phase channels is aplied to 10 of the in phase channels so that they remain completely cancelled. The remaing kick sound is then sample replaced with 8 Hz sine wave so that only elephants can hear the sound. From there, I sample replace the sine wave with the orignal kick sound.

[Robotnik]

Originally posted by cdog
This guy speaks my language.

There's an article in the March issue of EM where he talks about recording drums for the new Korn album...

Has some cool techniques - ****ing with with the phase of the 5 mics instead of using EQ, he seems to mention using a lot of AT mics though, I'm guessing he's sponsored.

You can't believe everything anybody says in those interviews. 5 kick drum mics were not used. A lot of Drumagog was used...5 kick tracks...not 5 mics. You never hear all 5 in the mix either.

[cdog]

Originally posted by Robotnik
5 Kick drum mics were not used... A lot of Drumagog was used...

Were you sitting in on the session?

NO, so shut the **** up unless you have something to contribute to the conversation.

[alphajerk]

Originally posted by cdog
Were you sitting in on the session?

NO, so shut the **** up unless you have something to contribute to the conversation.

im kinda enjoying the titties bounce up and down.

[Jay Kahrs]

Originally posted by alphajerk
im kinda enjoying the titties bounce up and down.

You too?

I've only heard the latest Korn stuff on the radio but I think that's up there as one of the worst drum sounds I've heard, especially the snare...that really bugs the hell out of me for some reason. Then again, who knows what those drums sounded like before mics were placed on them. Maybe they were complete shit and Frank pulled a few tricks out of his ass and made them sound amazing.

Five mics on the kick eh? How much you wanna bet there's one mic that made it to the mix, maybe two and the rest is a sample?

[bassmac]

Originally posted by cdog
...have you ever looked at Filipetti's credits?

There's no connection between good "credits" and good sound - besides, good sound is subjective.

I may not be famous, but I have good credit - and a great kick sound.

[ZEUSS]

That kick is a sample. Probably the same one floating around for the last 6 years. All the monkeys have the same samples. The only one that will never get used again will be the lars annnnger sample.

[Robotnik]

"Death Kick" no doubt.

Pretty ****ing lame.

[Robotnik]

Originally posted by cdog
Were you sitting in on the session?

NO, so shut the **** up unless you have something to contribute to the conversation.

No. But, I do know Frank. Fellow monkey, you know?