Anyone using aftermarket AC cords?

[faeflora]

Originally posted by Dave Martin
Thanks! I may order a dozen or so...

They also come in 2 and 3 and 5(?) foot varieties. 1 foot is pretty short.

Hey I bet a 1 foot cable has better electroliquiproton properties with a more tonally sensitive thermodynamic molecular matrix than a 2 foot cable!

[Jax]

Originally posted by faeflora
Hey I bet a 1 foot cable has better electroliquiproton properties with a more tonally sensitive thermodynamic molecular matrix than a 2 foot cable!

ff - only 50% better, you've forgotten about the ilioconductive mastilplactular effect of using less ponunctive energy in a coiled extribonic system! (again)

[heinz]

All this cord shortening can lead to collapsing time spirals, as the electroharmonic resonance latency creates a comb filter effect on the energy waves. Ultimately they will cancel each other out, leading to a negative power situation.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by Dot
Do you do a blind tests between set of guitar strings or guitar picks.

i would for a $300 pick

[Kent]

Originally posted by heinz
All this cord shortening can lead to collapsing time spirals, as the electroharmonic resonance latency creates a comb filter effect on the energy waves. Ultimately they will cancel each other out, leading to a negative power situation.

Ladies and gentlemen! We have a winner!

[faeflora]

Ahem.

Originally posted by Dot
Do you do a blind tests between set of guitar strings or guitar picks. Jeez, there's more art to this than anything else. We've been testing and using around 40 mic pres and something like 100 mics over the last year. I don't need blind tests to listen to any of this. I plug something in and use it and decide what I like and don't like about it, and work to find the best applications.

Well guitarists SHOULD do blind tests between strings, amps, cabs etc! Poor guitarists are often deluding themselves with as much BULLSHIT as rich audiophiles are!

Yes you do need blind tests. You're a poor biased neolithic wiener with conscious or subconscious predetermined opinions who just sucks up whatever your ignorant inherent biases are and translates them into glorious blooming warped unscientific reality. Do you call yourself an engineer? If so, you're degrading the rest of the poor schmucks on the planet hunched over their cluttered workbenches staring away at their Audio Cascade 2000's (or whatever REAL measuring device), building accurate switching boxes to perform useful undeluded tests. Pity them!

Originally posted by Dot
I don't sell gear. I'm not an audiophile. I engineer. I play music. I produce music. I design studios. I review gear. I use. I listen. I use. I listen. You wanna qualify me or disqualify me as an engineer, here's something I recently recorded. http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/mp3/NYBlues.mp3

No no no. You're NOT a real engineer. You provide useless gear reviews (I'm making the small leap concluding that your gear comparison reviews are also unscientific and biased), and you use gear that you've fooled yourself into believing is good equipment. You may be a great music engineer but that has NOTHING to do with gear engineering or proper product comparison!

Originally posted by Dot
This is the "High End" forum - so let's not flinch at a few hundred dollars. And the people who are posting in the topic who've had first-hand experience with better AC cables are chiming in that they actually hear not just a subtle difference, but a dramatic difference.

Just because it costs more doesn't mean it's good! None of those people who say they're ears were tingled by the ferrodiarrhea of these amazing(ly profitable) cables has send they did ONE SCIENTIFIC TEST! So I say, "**** their opinions with a long pointed stick!" "**** them hard and deep because their opinions are WORTHLESS!".

Originally posted by Dot
Danny McKinney of Requisite is not an audiophile. He designs and builds some of the highest-quality studio gear in the world. I honestly don't think a guy like Danny would be wasting his time with AC cables if they didn't make a difference.

I agree with you. Precious Danny is not an audiophile. If he designs good gear, he is a BRILLIANT EXAMPLE of a person who leverages their good equipment and brand reputation to hurl forth shite upon the masses. Danny is a SMART BOY. One day he got sick of making a paltry 10% or whatever his profit margin is on his real gear and came up with the asstastic idea to sell audiophile shiny turds as well! "Hey!" he realized, "If I sell meself thirty or so o dem fancified power interconnects I cun buh me a brand new trailer!" So did that he did do and at last, he could eat something other than ramen. Isn't that great!

Originally posted by Dot
If you have what you feel is an excellent monitoring system, and you've done all the acoustical work to your room and you think it's as good as you can get it, then you owe it to yourself to find out first-hand what the difference good AC cables can make.

Yes. Make sure to get the other mechano resonant products to assuage poor Dan's withered wallet ego.


Oh and to avoid "cowardly" flaming, I won't give my "street" name here, but you can get my phone number off the weblink in my signature if ya want to chat.

[faeflora]

Originally posted by Jax
ff - only 50% better, you've forgotten about the ilioconductive mastilplactular effect of using less ponunctive energy in a coiled extribonic system! (again)

Ooh I love it when the placlomasturbator puncuncidives coiled bonnic illerphases!

[Remoteness]

OK, let's say you bought a $2000.00 power cable -- What about the AC cable you're plugging into? Should you rewire your intire facility?

[g.longest]

Originally posted by Remoteness
OK, let's say you bought a $2000.00 power cable -- What about the AC cable you're plugging into? Should you rewire your intire facility?

That's a good point!

Adding a $300 power cable for the last 10 percent of a romex wire run seems about as silly as soldering a foot of mogami onto the end of 9 feet of zip cord.

Don't forget your sockets ! dfegad

[alphajerk]

ladies, the circle is now complete.

[maostro]

Youse guys have got it all wrong. What you really want isn't that sterile, ultra-clean AC cable. For recordings with warmth, punch and soar you obviously need to use _vintage_ AC cables.

I bought an old AC cable off a vintage Neve on Ebay for only $500. Plugged it into my Mackie. The difference was like night and day. Sterile tracks suddenly came to life and verily bristled with character. This is going to be the next wave!

[alphajerk]

man... there is a HUGE difference with the power cabling... throw all those stock cables away. you MUST get pure silicon sealed silver oxygen fixed point triple rectified balanced power cabling with ceramic isolation and feng shui alignment in your studio or you are just fully cheating your tone.

[faeflora]

Hey you're right about the vintage cables. I once had this big old heavy tape deck and I cut off the power cable and soldered it onto my converter power cord. It was amazing! When I hit the converter hard the transharmonic effect would saturate digital overs widening the aural horizon until I was hearing flowering buds of bass in the sonic scenery!

[Kent]

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[Dot]

The fact is the people in this thread who have tried better AC cables first-hand have seen that the world is round. The people who have NOT tried better AC cables first-hand really have no direct knowledge and continue to claim the world is flat.

The question is: Can AC cables make ANY difference at all to the audio signal? If they can make any difference then couldn't they be made better or worse or different in sonic character?

Please keep the tomatoes coming! : )

[Remoteness]

So, is it about the last 3 or 6 feet of $2000.00 power cord that really matters?

[alphajerk]

i HAVE tried the more expensive/esoteric cables, both interconnect and power on many occassion. in many listening parties. in many setups. there is NO difference in power cables... at least not that ONE person there could verifiably predict in a blind shootout. interconnect can make for some difference but frankly i think that it has to do with "newness" of the cable, cleanliness of the contacts, soldering job done at the tips, over anything contained within the cable itself.

power? you smokin crack.

[Dot]

Originally posted by Remoteness
So, is it about the last 3 or 6 feet of $2000.00 power cord that really matters?

Yes, Steve. According to the engineers who make these kinds of cables, the geometry of the cord in the last few feet affect the audio in the component that is getting AC.

[Steve Smith]

Originally posted by Dot
The fact is the people in this thread who have tried better AC cables first-hand have seen that the world is round.


Please keep the tomatoes coming! : )

Ahem. To quote a wise man:

If it smells like crap, and fell out of a bull...

There is no way that any AC cable that is in proper working order will lose in a blind shootout. Not a chance. if it would, and there were even a shred of scientific evidence that it could make gear work better as a result ( it is apparently making your DAC1 sound better ) then other industries would have long since adopted the technilogy. None of the Surgeons or Scientists that I know are specking esoteric cables for equipment. Hospitals actually had the Electronics Regulations Code for the US changed to allow balanced power IIRC because it made thier sensitive monitoring equipment have less errors, I cannot believe that they would overlook such an obivious fix as using expensive power cables... or are you saying that the Ac that is improved by these cables checks to see if it is audio gear before having a positive impact?

[natpub]

On these kinds of threads, I always wonder, why can't you just take a picture of the waves forms of say, an original signal as a control, then the recorded signal using one cable as the A, then the recorded signal using cable B? Then just compare the pictures?

Shouldn't there be a simple way to mathmatically compare things that are physical phenomenon.

When peopel say there is "No" difference between this or that connect or power cable, wouldn't it be easy to prove that false by looking at the waveforms? If they are in fact different, then wouldn't it be a matter of taste at that point if someone liked the change or not?

Why would you need a blind test when you can take an accurate measurement?

[faeflora]

Originally posted by natpub
On these kinds of threads, I always wonder, why can't you just take a picture of the waves forms of say, an original signal as a control, then the recorded signal using one cable as the A, then the recorded signal using cable B? Then just compare the pictures?

Shouldn't there be a simple way to mathmatically compare things that are physical phenomenon.

When peopel say there is "No" difference between this or that connect or power cable, wouldn't it be easy to prove that false by looking at the waveforms? If they are in fact different, then wouldn't it be a matter of taste at that point if someone liked the change or not?

Why would you need a blind test when you can take an accurate measurement?

Shutup Natpub and just ****ing believe. Sheesh.

[faeflora]

Originally posted by Dot
Yes, Steve. According to the engineers who make these kinds of cables, the geometry of the cord in the last few feet affect the audio in the component that is getting AC.

So if you need a 9 foot power cable, why not get the a 3 foot requisite cable and crimp a 6 foot POS un physiotranductionized power cable to it?

You lose Dan, you LOSE! Just admit that you don't want to do a double blind test because

A. You don't know what one is
or
B. You're worried you WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

[Dot]

If anyone is interested, here are some links for further reading.

http://www.positive-feedback.com/pfb...cj.01.7n6.html

http://www.polyfusionaudio.com/rvws/95bfs.html

quote from the above link: Were the differences in sound between the two AC cords significant? Significant enough that 5 out of 5 positive identifications were easily made in a single blind A-B. The difference in sound was obvious to the point that it could have been 100 out of 100. AlI of which was more than enough to convince me that the AC cord is still an important factor...

http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/t...cables&m=82605

http://www.johnvestman.com/products/power_cords.htm

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[initialsBB]

Originally posted by Dot
The question is: Can AC cables make ANY difference at all to the audio signal? If they can make any difference then couldn't they be made better or worse or different in sonic character?

No, that's a logical fallacy. Just because there's a difference it doesn't follow that there will be an improvement. The "different" cable could be one that's not functioning properly.

All of the light switches in your house turn your lights on when you flip them up and turn them off when you flip them down. My special light switches (only $1995) don't turn on the lights immediately but they allow the bulbs to slowly "bloom" to their fully illuminated state, accentuating the 3-dimensionality and light-stage of the room. I can prove that my boutique light switches are "different" than your standard switches, therefore it must be possible that they are "better".

[initialsBB]

Originally posted by Remoteness
So, is it about the last 3 or 6 feet of $2000.00 power cord that really matters?

The last 3 feet is the most critical. The final 3 feet of the 3 foot cord sound much more focused than the last 3 feet of the 9 foot cord but they're both the same price, cancelling each other out.

Of course metric cables have an entirely different sound to them.

[Dot]

Hi, initialsBB. You're obviously another one who hasn't tried some different aftermarket AC cables on your system, but still feels qualified to come to conclusions without finding out for yourself. dfegad

[Slipperman]

Oh NO.

No.

God help us all.

SM.

[oudplayer]

Originally posted by Dot
This is the "High End" forum - so let's not flinch at a few hundred dollars. And the people who are posting in the topic who've had first-hand experience with better AC cables are chiming in that they actually hear not just a subtle difference, but a dramatic difference.

You're distorting things here, dot. I've heard AND DOUBLE-BLIND TESTED two of the "high-end" AC cables (>$100 per cable) and heard NO REPEATABLE, DISCERNABLE DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER. Even with microphone cables and interconnects, I have yet to hear a meaningful difference when lengths and wire gauges are the same. So your generalizations that the people "who've had first-hand experience with better AC cables are chiming in that they actually hear... a dramatic difference" is a highly selective reading of a long sea of posts that indicate otherwise. Kind of like the reading of the Bible that finds the 137 times it says "There is no God..."

One of the things you've kept stressing is the impact on digital gear. This is the most suspect part of your argument, since you provide no evidence of what kind of distortion is happening to one or the other signal. Is it jitter? Aliasing or phase shift near the Nyquist frequency?

You can run simple computer-based tests with digital gear to determine if the signal of an AD converter is altered by changing out power or digital audio cables. Digitize a pre-recorded signal signal (such as the analog output of a CD player). Swap cables. Do it again. Chop the two regions in an audio editing program so that they are the exact length and start at the same point. Compare. Are they the same? If not, how different are they?

I have been able to get bit-accurate digitizations of the same analog signal using many different AES cables (including "audiophile" ones), and I challenge you to scientifically create results that prove otherwise when using different power cables.

There was a thread a while back where someone claimed that different computer hard drives imparted a different sonic quality - some, of course, were better suited for digital audio. No shit - he said they sounded "warmer."

[Fibes]

Originally posted by slipperman
Oh NO.

No.

God help us all.

SM.

Not even Mithra has a shovel big enough.

"Where do you get a breadbox big enough to put a giant robot from outerspace in?" -Lenny Clark on his TV 38 late show circa 1977.

[makoto]

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