Mic Preamp for Peluso 251

MDM · 13th April 2007, 02:18 PM

Hi there -

I am looking for a nice mic pre-amp for the Peluso 251 mic

I got a Tube Tech CL1B in the chain as well -

I use Metric Halo AD

I find that the Peluso 251 is on the edge of too brilliant

I 'd like to purchase a pre-amp that kinda soothes, smoothes the sound, making it less edgy and more ... well pretty

Any suggestions welcome - i am thinking between 1000 and 2000 dollars for a one channel preamp.

Please only suggest if you actually know the sound of this mic and not just because you love some kind of preamp very much - thanks :)

kittonian · 13th April 2007, 03:03 PM

Chandler LTD-1. It's become my absolute favorite mic-pre/eq.

MDM · 13th April 2007, 03:57 PM

interesting

so what about that Chandler Germanium ?

and what about Millenia ?

markk · 13th April 2007, 05:52 PM

I know alot of folks hate the dual m610 but if find it great on the 22 251.
I have the BAE 1073, GR 1NV, P-1 and API 512C pres and love them all but the M610 IMHO sounds the best with the 251 for my vox.
I choose The GR or P1 for my 2247 LE though.

22 251> Dual M610>1176>LA2A>Nuendo

scdafunkyg · 14th April 2007, 04:38 AM

Yeah, I have found the same thing in my quest for a mic pre for my 22 251. I do alot of RnB and have found that the Universal Audio stuff softens the 22 251 in a nice way ( I am trying out a LA 610 on an extended loan). Although I have been hearing so much hype about the Pacifica that I want to try it out as well. One thing though, I tried a Presonus ADL600 with the 22 251, but I didn't have too long with it. I am supposed to get it back next week and will do more extensive tests, but that one was really nice as well...kind of describes what you are looking for.

woomanmoomin · 14th April 2007, 04:49 AM

The A-Designs MP-2A is another valve pre that, judging from what people have said on here about it, would probably tame the 22 251's highs very nicely. Apparently it's pretty clear for a valve pre, too.

I have a couple of Siemens V276A pres on the way and I'm looking forward to trying one of them with my 22 251. I would prefer to use the mic with a solid-state pre if at all possible, and there are plenty of mellow-sounding vintage solid-state German pres (Siemens/Telefunken/Tab) that I can imagine might sound great with the 22 251 without adding tube colour to the signal.

I would also like to try it with something dark and Neve-ish like one of the Great River NV pres.

People say the Pacifica with the pad engaged has a vaguely Neve-ish quality, so I'd like to try that. I guess I might end up rolling off the highs at least a little, though.

amd · 14th April 2007, 05:37 AM

I use an A design Mp2a with the 22-251 and get great results. It is clean but not sterile and will tame harshness and thicken things up. I'm really surprised that this pre doesn't get more attention around here.

MDM · 14th April 2007, 11:32 AM

nice

anyone tried the Germanimum or the Millenia pre-amp ?

MDM · 14th April 2007, 01:44 PM

and oh :

I do a really spacious, clean type of music -

I really dislike any 'rock and roll'sound in my productions - (not that i dislike the genre, i love it :)

So there's no loud electric guitars, no drumkits and no loud screamy vocalists.

It's all beauty and pristine : acoustic instruments, percussion, feminine female vocals....

Light, space and beauty is what I seek - not edge....

Suggestions are welcome & appreciated.

dwaynedelario · 14th April 2007, 02:42 PM

I was running the 22 251 through a 1073DPD and an 1176 (very slight compression)...didn't like the sound at all even though, oddly, the soundelux 251 sounded great this way. I sh*t you not I plugged the peluso directly into a fireface800 on a whim and it tamed it...let it open up without so much sparkle. I am baffled too :)

MadGuitrst · 14th April 2007, 06:04 PM

It sounds good through the Sebatron.

**TonyBelmont** · 14th April 2007, 10:51 PM

I've probably used the 251 more than anybody on the forum. For what you are doing, I don't think the Pacifica or Germanium would be good choices in combination with the 251. The Pacifica can be a little too bright combined with the 251, and the Germanium is a little too colored for your "cleaner sound" tastes.

I've found time after time that the 251 sounds best through Neve-ish preamps, and that's what I would advise you to check out. I've had the best results with my Aurora GTQ preamp... it sounds equally impressive although slightly less open with my Neve 1073's. These types of pre's help round the edges out, and would make for a great combo with your CL1b.

You've got a great microphone.... With your budget? I would probably say a Brent Averill 1272 would be a good fit, and would leave you with enough cash left over to pick up a Peluso R14 to compliment the 251.

henryrobinett · 14th April 2007, 11:19 PM

I haven't used all kinds of pres with my Pelusos but I love the sound of the Millennia with them. That's my pre of choice and it fits like a glove.

Dopamine · 16th April 2007, 12:12 AM

I was just going to post about this! I got this mic a few months ago. LOVE IT, except that is is way too sibilant with my 737. So I too am looking for another pre. I was thinking about the Brent Averill API or maybe a Germanium.

Not much of a consensus here.

amd · 16th April 2007, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dopamine

I was just going to post about this! i got this mic a few months ago. LOVE IT, except that is is way to sibilant with my 737. So I too am looking for another pre. I was thinking about the Brent Averill API or maybe a Germanium.

Not much of a consensus here.

Dopamine, I had the same experience with my 737 and the 251. If you want to check out the Mp2a/251 combo PM me - we live in the same area.

FULL-DUPLEX · 16th April 2007, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woomanmoomin

I have a couple of Siemens V276A pres on the way and I'm looking forward to trying one of them with my 22 251. I would prefer to use the mic with a solid-state pre if at all possible, and there are plenty of mellow-sounding vintage solid-state German pres (Siemens/Telefunken/Tab) that I can imagine might sound great with the 22 251 without adding tube colour to the signal.

Great choice the Siemens V276a!

scdafunkyg · 18th April 2007, 03:49 AM

Which Millennia are you pushing the 22 251 through?

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryrobinett

I haven't used all kinds of pres with my Pelusos but I love the sound of the Millennia with them. That's my pre of choice and it fits like a glove.

scdafunkyg · 18th April 2007, 04:04 AM

Anyone try the 22 251 with a Neve Portico?

johnmarkpainter · 18th April 2007, 04:31 AM

I've used it a lot with an API and also a UA 2-610.

With the API you have to be very careful that it doesn't get too harsh.
With the UA it is much smoother but can require EQ depending upon the Singer.

jmp

Dopamine · 18th April 2007, 04:56 AM

Anyone try it on vocals through a Germanium?

scdafunkyg · 19th April 2007, 08:06 AM

Dopamine,

That's interesting with the 737 that you are experiencing sibilance. I would have thought with the 737 being tube and all it would actually soften it further. That's interesting. I am curious about the Great River stuff and definitely the API like yourself. I tried the Germanium, it was allright, but found it a little too grainy for my application (R&B). I found I wanted something a little cleaner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dopamine

I was just going to post about this! I got this mic a few months ago. LOVE IT, except that is is way too sibilant with my 737. So I too am looking for another pre. I was thinking about the Brent Averill API or maybe a Germanium.

Not much of a consensus here.

Dopamine · 19th April 2007, 01:11 PM

<< I tried the Germanium, it was allright, but found it a little too grainy for my application (R&B >>

Hmmm, maybe the best pre (that won't break the bank) would be the UA610. I actually sold mine to get the Avalon.

scdafunkyg · 19th April 2007, 11:09 PM

Yeah, I have a LA610 right now. I am putting it through it's paces. I am looking at that Great River.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dopamine

<< I tried the Germanium, it was allright, but found it a little too grainy for my application (R&B >>

Hmmm, maybe the best pre (that won't break the bank) would be the UA610. I actually sold mine to get the Avalon.

Dopamine · 22nd April 2007, 10:18 PM

Just bumping this thread. Still looking for an under $1500 (used) pre that sounds amazing on the 22 251.

I'm thinking about the UA 610, unless someone can recommend something better.

Thanks!

shanabit · 23rd April 2007, 12:39 AM

Why not use the de-essing on the 737sp? Just a thought

Dopamine · 23rd April 2007, 01:52 AM

<< Why not use the de-essing on the 737sp? Just a thought >>

Because I like using the 737's EQ.

These 22 251 mics are so popular on Gearslutz, but I've in sibilance hell ever since I've got mine. It really takes the fun out of engineering.

**TonyBelmont** · 23rd April 2007, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dopamine

<< Why not use the de-essing on the 737sp? Just a thought >>

Because I like using the 737's EQ.

These 22 251 mics are so popular on Gearslutz, but I've in sibilance hell ever since I've got mine. It really takes the fun out of engineering.

What other preamps have you tried with it? I think you should try to get a Neve type pre of some kind to listen to the 251 with(Aurora, BAE, etc)...

The 251 can be sibilant on some vocalist's... It wouldn't be my first choice on a person with a lisp.

Wiggum, Ralph · 23rd April 2007, 11:26 PM

I'm with Tony on this one, look for a Neve-ish type pre for the 251.

I was working on a project where the studio only had 737 & 251 as there go-to combo. I really hated working with the 737sp especially with the 251. So I begged them to get a 1073 on rental, to alleviate the "sibliance". Well, when they finally got the 1073, it was the perfect compliment to the 251 sound. Night & Day Difference, IMHO

Ok maybe not night & day, but you get the point...

radiospace · 23rd April 2007, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dopamine

These 22 251 mics are so popular on Gearslutz, but I've in sibilance hell ever since I've got mine. It really takes the fun out of engineering.

Sounds like you need a new mic, not a new pre.

Stu Gutz · 23rd April 2007, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

The 251 can be sibilant on some vocalist's... It wouldn't be my first choice on a person with a lisp.

Shay ... thatsh not a nicesh shing to shay!

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13th April 2007, 02:18 PM	#1
MDM Gear maniac Join Date: May 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 225	Mic Preamp for Peluso 251 Hi there - I am looking for a nice mic pre-amp for the Peluso 251 mic I got a Tube Tech CL1B in the chain as well - I use Metric Halo AD I find that the Peluso 251 is on the edge of too brilliant I 'd like to purchase a pre-amp that kinda soothes, smoothes the sound, making it less edgy and more ... well pretty Any suggestions welcome - i am thinking between 1000 and 2000 dollars for a one channel preamp. Please only suggest if you actually know the sound of this mic and not just because you love some kind of preamp very much - thanks :)

13th April 2007, 03:03 PM	#2
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14th April 2007, 04:38 AM	#5
scdafunkyg Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 90	Universal Audio Yeah, I have found the same thing in my quest for a mic pre for my 22 251. I do alot of RnB and have found that the Universal Audio stuff softens the 22 251 in a nice way ( I am trying out a LA 610 on an extended loan). Although I have been hearing so much hype about the Pacifica that I want to try it out as well. One thing though, I tried a Presonus ADL600 with the 22 251, but I didn't have too long with it. I am supposed to get it back next week and will do more extensive tests, but that one was really nice as well...kind of describes what you are looking for.

14th April 2007, 06:04 PM	#11
MadGuitrst Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: regional man of mystery Posts: 458	It sounds good through the Sebatron. __________________ The Madguitrst has left the building.......but not before commiting acts designed to offend the senses.

13th April 2007, 03:57 PM	#3
MDM Gear maniac Join Date: May 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 225	interesting so what about that Chandler Germanium ? and what about Millenia ?

13th April 2007, 05:52 PM	#4
markk Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 170	I know alot of folks hate the dual m610 but if find it great on the 22 251. I have the BAE 1073, GR 1NV, P-1 and API 512C pres and love them all but the M610 IMHO sounds the best with the 251 for my vox. I choose The GR or P1 for my 2247 LE though. 22 251> Dual M610>1176>LA2A>Nuendo

14th April 2007, 04:49 AM	#6
woomanmoomin Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, England Posts: 1,024	The A-Designs MP-2A is another valve pre that, judging from what people have said on here about it, would probably tame the 22 251's highs very nicely. Apparently it's pretty clear for a valve pre, too. I have a couple of Siemens V276A pres on the way and I'm looking forward to trying one of them with my 22 251. I would prefer to use the mic with a solid-state pre if at all possible, and there are plenty of mellow-sounding vintage solid-state German pres (Siemens/Telefunken/Tab) that I can imagine might sound great with the 22 251 without adding tube colour to the signal. I would also like to try it with something dark and Neve-ish like one of the Great River NV pres. People say the Pacifica with the pad engaged has a vaguely Neve-ish quality, so I'd like to try that. I guess I might end up rolling off the highs at least a little, though.

14th April 2007, 05:37 AM	#7
amd Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 459	I use an A design Mp2a with the 22-251 and get great results. It is clean but not sterile and will tame harshness and thicken things up. I'm really surprised that this pre doesn't get more attention around here.

14th April 2007, 11:32 AM	#8
MDM Gear maniac Join Date: May 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 225	nice anyone tried the Germanimum or the Millenia pre-amp ?

14th April 2007, 01:44 PM	#9
MDM Gear maniac Join Date: May 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 225	and oh : I do a really spacious, clean type of music - I really dislike any 'rock and roll'sound in my productions - (not that i dislike the genre, i love it :) So there's no loud electric guitars, no drumkits and no loud screamy vocalists. It's all beauty and pristine : acoustic instruments, percussion, feminine female vocals.... Light, space and beauty is what I seek - not edge.... Suggestions are welcome & appreciated.

14th April 2007, 02:42 PM	#10
dwaynedelario Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 64	I was running the 22 251 through a 1073DPD and an 1176 (very slight compression)...didn't like the sound at all even though, oddly, the soundelux 251 sounded great this way. I sh*t you not I plugged the peluso directly into a fireface800 on a whim and it tamed it...let it open up without so much sparkle. I am baffled too :)

14th April 2007, 10:51 PM	#12
TonyBelmont Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boston,MA Providence,RI Posts: 9,664	I've probably used the 251 more than anybody on the forum. For what you are doing, I don't think the Pacifica or Germanium would be good choices in combination with the 251. The Pacifica can be a little too bright combined with the 251, and the Germanium is a little too colored for your "cleaner sound" tastes. I've found time after time that the 251 sounds best through Neve-ish preamps, and that's what I would advise you to check out. I've had the best results with my Aurora GTQ preamp... it sounds equally impressive although slightly less open with my Neve 1073's. These types of pre's help round the edges out, and would make for a great combo with your CL1b. You've got a great microphone.... With your budget? I would probably say a Brent Averill 1272 would be a good fit, and would leave you with enough cash left over to pick up a Peluso R14 to compliment the 251. __________________ Tony Belmont We Sell Gear! Need plugins? Check out PluginDiscounts.com

14th April 2007, 11:19 PM	#13
henryrobinett Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 5,594	I haven't used all kinds of pres with my Pelusos but I love the sound of the Millennia with them. That's my pre of choice and it fits like a glove. __________________ All the best, Henry Robinett

16th April 2007, 12:12 AM	#14
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,395	I was just going to post about this! I got this mic a few months ago. LOVE IT, except that is is way too sibilant with my 737. So I too am looking for another pre. I was thinking about the Brent Averill API or maybe a Germanium. Not much of a consensus here.

18th April 2007, 04:04 AM	#18
scdafunkyg Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 90	Neve Portico Anyone try the 22 251 with a Neve Portico?

18th April 2007, 04:31 AM	#19
johnmarkpainter Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Nashville Posts: 129	I've used it a lot with an API and also a UA 2-610. With the API you have to be very careful that it doesn't get too harsh. With the UA it is much smoother but can require EQ depending upon the Singer. jmp

18th April 2007, 04:56 AM	#20
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,395	Anyone try it on vocals through a Germanium?

19th April 2007, 01:11 PM	#22
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,395	<< I tried the Germanium, it was allright, but found it a little too grainy for my application (R&B >> Hmmm, maybe the best pre (that won't break the bank) would be the UA610. I actually sold mine to get the Avalon.

22nd April 2007, 10:18 PM	#24
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,395	Just bumping this thread. Still looking for an under $1500 (used) pre that sounds amazing on the 22 251. I'm thinking about the UA 610, unless someone can recommend something better. Thanks!

23rd April 2007, 12:39 AM	#25
shanabit Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 927	Why not use the de-essing on the 737sp? Just a thought

23rd April 2007, 01:52 AM	#26
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,395	<< Why not use the de-essing on the 737sp? Just a thought >> Because I like using the 737's EQ. These 22 251 mics are so popular on Gearslutz, but I've in sibilance hell ever since I've got mine. It really takes the fun out of engineering.

23rd April 2007, 11:26 PM	#28
Wiggum, Ralph Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 210	I'm with Tony on this one, look for a Neve-ish type pre for the 251. I was working on a project where the studio only had 737 & 251 as there go-to combo. I really hated working with the 737sp especially with the 251. So I begged them to get a 1073 on rental, to alleviate the "sibliance". Well, when they finally got the 1073, it was the perfect compliment to the 251 sound. Night & Day Difference, IMHO Ok maybe not night & day, but you get the point...

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