Peluso 2247LE & 2247SE differences in sound?

[Alex Wyler]

Do these two mics sound exactly the same as Peluso says or do they indeed sound different?

If different, in what way?

Which is better?

[woomanmoomin]

bendecido started a thread on here asking much the same question, so if you do a search for threads he started, maybe that will help. I can't remember what different people said, but I do know it's a contentious issue.

[kittonian]

There is no difference in sound between the two. Some people "think" there is for whatever reason but I can tell you first hand that Peluso has matched a red tube with a Telefunken tube for a stereo pair for a few of our clients and no one could tell the difference.

Here's what I tell people. If you have to have the Telefunken name go for it, but be aware that these tubes are no longer in production and when the stock runs out you may find yourself on eBay paying quite a bit of money for a replacement if/when you ever need one. On the other hand, the red american tube is in production and a replacement will cost you a whopping $30.

[Johnkenn]

Exactly...$30. That's reason enough to go for the Steel tube.

[peeder]

Tubes don't sound as different when run at levels below distortion. Once they start going nonlinear they can have great differences in sound. Most people probably will baby their expensive mics and run them at linear levels. So if the difference is purely one of the tube being used, the sound will probably be hard to distinguish in normal practice (but the price may not be).

[Phosphene]

If you get a 2247LE, can you just stick one of the American Red tubes in it and everything will be OK?

I guess I just don't know about the tolerances of a mic to different tubes, if a mic was "made" to accept certain tubes.

[FULL-DUPLEX]

Stahlröhre please.

[Led]

Yavul mien sluttadant.

[Dog_Chao_Chao]

Originally Posted by Phosphene

If you get a 2247LE, can you just stick one of the American Red tubes in it and everything will be OK?

I guess I just don't know about the tolerances of a mic to different tubes, if a mic was "made" to accept certain tubes.

This is exacly my big question at the moment. Im about to purchase one but not sure about the tube. Cant a german tube be replaced by a US tube when the time comes?

[Dog_Chao_Chao]

Originally Posted by Phosphene

If you get a 2247LE, can you just stick one of the American Red tubes in it and everything will be OK?

I guess I just don't know about the tolerances of a mic to different tubes, if a mic was "made" to accept certain tubes.

This is exacly my big question at the moment. Im about to purchase one but not sure about the tube. Cant a german tube be replaced by an US tube when the time comes?

[Phosphene]

I got the answer. No. Once you chose the LE or the SE, you are stuck with that exact tube and you cannot exchange an American red for the Telefunken steel.

[TonyBelmont]

I wouldn't be so worried about these tubes going bad.

Most of these Telefunken tubes will last longer than we will...

The likely chance of one of these tubes not working properly will most likely occur within the fist 48 hours of use! After that initial usage, they can last upwards of 40-50 years.

[Phosphene]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

I wouldn't be so worried about these tubes going bad.

Most of these Telefunken tubes will last longer than we will...

The likely chance of one of these tubes not working properly will most likely occur within the fist 48 hours of use! After that initial usage, they can last upwards of 40-50 years.

holy smokes. alright, well I feel better.

[RKrizman]

Originally Posted by kittonian

There is no difference in sound between the two. Some people "think" there is for whatever reason but I can tell you first hand that Peluso has matched a red tube with a Telefunken tube for a stereo pair for a few of our clients and no one could tell the difference.

Here's what I tell people. If you have to have the Telefunken name go for it, but be aware that these tubes are no longer in production and when the stock runs out you may find yourself on eBay paying quite a bit of money for a replacement if/when you ever need one. On the other hand, the red american tube is in production and a replacement will cost you a whopping $30.

BTW, I listened to the Peluso mic demo at your site. Sounds fantastic!
One question. There was a fair amount of audible hiss on that--what was the source of it? not complaining, just curious. It was sort of nostalgic actually.


-R

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by RKrizman

BTW, I listened to the Peluso mic demo at your site. Sounds fantastic!
One question. There was a fair amount of audible hiss on that--what was the source of it? not complaining, just curious. It was sort of nostalgic actually.


-R

That was something that we threw together at the last minute quite some time ago. It was done in an open room without a whole lot of care/time for setup/soundcheck. The idea was to see how great these mics performed on their own, without spending tons of time. The whole project was completed (start to finish) in 30 minutes. The signal chain is listed in detail on our website.

I'm not sure what the "hiss" is that you're hearing but perhaps it's just room noise that came through (or maybe it's the CEMC6's airy quality picking up the room a bit). I don't really hear a "hiss". Also, remember that there is no eq, no compression, etc. This is all raw. Perhaps filtering out the ultra low end would alleviate what you are hearing?

So, the end result is that if the mics sound that great in a Guerrilla style recording, imagine how amazing they sound when you actually spend some time. You wouldn't believe how many people have purchased Peluso mics based on that one soundfile. The craziest thing is the girl had never sung into a mic before. I convinced her to do it because I wanted to show a female voice on the 22 251. She's incredible.

[woomanmoomin]

Originally Posted by kittonian

So, the end result is that if the mics sound that great in a Guerrilla style recording, imagine how amazing they sound when you actually spend some time.

Or how amazing they might sound?

(Sorry, kittonian. Couldn't resist. I'm glad there are people like you putting the files out there btw.)

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by woomanmoomin

Or how amazing they might sound?

(Sorry, kittonian. Couldn't resist. I'm glad there are people like you putting the files out there btw.)

Here is an idea... ask Kittonian to send you the raw files. You EQ them yourself seeing as how EQ is so important (there are plenty of things I record without any EQ at all and I still contest that the sound files on his site sound fine as they are).

Anyway EQ them to your harts content, if you like what you hear buy the mic from Kittonian, I am sure he would be happy to make that deal...... just please quit complaining about the files..... most everyone else thinks they sound pretty good.




That was mostly a joke so it's all good... but really, we get it, you don't like the sound files.

[woomanmoomin]

I like some of the ideas there, but quite honestly, I'm entitled to my opinion, and, as far as I know, I'm also entitled to express it, whenever I want, because I'm not just here to perpetuate some arbitrary paradigm view of how great such-and-such a product is supposed to be when, actually, I have no reason to be convinced. If I'm thinking there's a chance that there's quite possibly an emperor's-new-clothes thing going on, I will probably say it.

As for the EQ thing, I can basically do that in my computer without the original files anyway, and no amount of EQ is going to tame a signal (or a section of a signal) that's about as smooth as an overdriven tube amp. I have tried EQ on all the files of the Peluso I have heard, polished and not-so-polished, and all it has done so far is to make the signal seem unmanageably coloured and pushy to me.

In any case, on this occasion, I didn't actually voice any opinion to the effect that the microphone sucked or even potentially sucked. I just alluded to the fact that it is pretty damn difficult for me, at least, to imagine how amazing the mics may or may not sound when all I have to go on first of all is a raw file like any of these. It's like saying, 'Here is a photocopy of a photo of a diamond. Unfortunately the photocopier was running out of toner that day. Imagine how beautiful the diamond must be.' (Or how great the camera was.)

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I've just got to your friendly punchline. I actually didn't wanna moan this time, but I don't take kindly to being told to keep my opinions to myself on what are supposed to be the appropriate discussion forums!!! (Even when I've already voiced them a squillion times???!!! Oh well.)

I still think GS rawcks and I am very glad there are people publishing mic clips etc. (Otherwise I wouldn't have anything to moan about.)

[gsharp]

The sample on the site is seriously flawed. The last chord before the chorus on Building a Mystery is actually E major.

I'm just being a dick. It sounds really nice. Can you offer any more detail on the positioning of the 2 mics on the gtr?

[gm5k]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

going bad.

Most of these Telefunken tubes will last longer than we will...

come on Tony, do you have to be so morbid about it?

[RKrizman]

Originally Posted by kittonian

TI'm not sure what the "hiss" is that you're hearing but perhaps it's just room noise that came through (or maybe it's the CEMC6's airy quality picking up the room a bit). I don't really hear a "hiss". Also, remember that there is no eq, no compression, etc. This is all raw. Perhaps filtering out the ultra low end would alleviate what you are hearing?

It's hiss, like tape hiss or preamp hiss. White noise, not hum or rumble. You don't hear it? It starts and stops with playing the file.

Nonetheless, the mics sound incredible and I like the performance. Maybe you should never spend more than 30 minutes recording something.

Perhaps this was asked before, but what's the difference between the regular 2247 and the le or se versions?

-R

[woomanmoomin]

Discussed above?! Not much difference apparently. I would probably go for the US tube version if anything. I guess the other one isn't going to sound *exactly* like an original U47 anyway. They're both just gonna be pretty close.