Pacifica/Vintech/Great River/Buzz Shootout

Johnkenn · 14th March 2007, 01:01 AM

Not the most extensive shootout, (one song) but here it goes. Here are the four pres without EQ or verb. I'll say which is which when the time is right...

Johnkenn · 14th March 2007, 01:09 AM

Here are the four with EQ and Verb. Regarding the eq - I only took out offending frequencies...nothing was added. BTW - the pres are in the same order in both sets of examples. ie - Raw1=Processed1, etc.

All of these files were recorded in the same room, same mic, same chain after the pre. Peluso 2247LE=Pre=Distressor (3:1 5,6,4,6)=Rosetta 200 (Firewire card)=Cubase 4=UAD-1 LA2A/Cambridge EQ/Plate 140 Verb

AMIEL · 14th March 2007, 01:15 AM

Great! but how is this shootout?
is about the mic pres on Vocals only right????

WidgetNinja · 14th March 2007, 01:19 AM

4
2
1
3

3 had a weird filtery thing in the mids to my ears(I might like it a lot on bass). I really liked 4 though, the most involving and smooth.

AMIEL · 14th March 2007, 01:26 AM

1
2
4
3
all are pretty close...but I think #3 is not so smooth in certain parts of the vocal.
I only hear the Raws for shootouts.

Tone Obsessed · 14th March 2007, 01:27 AM

Tough when it's a full mix...

HOWEVER, I like the overall sound and vibe you have going on with this tune - full, tight and clean... Nice job. Love to hear the final mix of this when you're done.

TJ

drumkideric · 14th March 2007, 01:27 AM

1
4
2
3

I thought 1 gave the vocals the most presence, which I really liked. 4 was just a tad too smooth for my tastes.

AMIEL · 14th March 2007, 01:41 AM

yeah! great recording an performance! there is cool vibe!

lpkyer · 14th March 2007, 01:52 AM

raw
1
3
2
4

eq
1
4
3
2

jebjerome · 14th March 2007, 01:53 AM

1
2
4
3

And I'm guessing 1. Buzz, 2. Pacifica, 3. Vintech, 4. Great River.

jchas · 14th March 2007, 01:56 AM

3
4
1
2

I didn't try the eq'd versions. I'm more interested with the direct sound - lets me know how much eq'ing i'll have to do later. I actually like the smoother tones.

mcballs · 14th March 2007, 02:05 AM

From most favorite to least:

1
4 (really dug the sound, but a bit heavy for this mix)
2
3

And I'll fashion some guesses:

1 - Pacifica
2 - Great River
3 - Buzz (never heard one)
4 - Vintech

Johnkenn · 14th March 2007, 02:18 AM

Very interesting...I think I see it like this - from fav to least fav...1 and 4 are different beasts, but they both eq great and end up sounding great. 1 and 4 are a toss up to me...there's really not a bad one in the bunch.
1
4
2
3

reddirt · 14th March 2007, 02:35 AM

Thanks for that - 3 of the pres are on a possible shopping list for me (pity a Gordon wasn't in there) so it's got my interest. Great thread, great production/vocal. Which model Buzz and Vintech were they? I ass ume the GR was 1-NV.
3 &4 accentuated the sibilance but other than that there's no obvious stand out for me.
Cheers, Ross

AMIEL · 14th March 2007, 02:44 AM

Definetly what is really obvious is the great quality of PELUSO MICS!

Winey · 14th March 2007, 02:47 AM

A guess just for fun.

1 - Vintech
2 - Buzz
3 - GR
4 - Pacifica

AllAboutTone · 14th March 2007, 02:48 AM

4 Pacifica mid scoop
3 Vintech has a little neve sound going on

2 Great River little transparent
1 Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

thats was finally a good sounding shootout, altho they are much much different when they are in front of your monitors vs the files on here..

damn he forgot the API and Daking....

Flip Flop

BCains · 14th March 2007, 03:38 AM

Overall all i'm liking number 4. I'll take a guess and say its the Pacifica.

ron florentine · 14th March 2007, 06:57 AM

No Eq

1
4
2
3

With EQ

4
1
2
3

Quess
1-Pacifica
2-Great River
3-Buzz
4-Vintech

PS They all sound good just some fit this style/arrangement better......Hurry tell us!!!!

Ron Florentine
Soundswest Studio

funka · 14th March 2007, 08:17 AM

Number two is my fav. Full and rich without being harsh.

ericwall · 14th March 2007, 10:46 AM

Again, the raw files were much easier to judge.

Raw 1: Fantastic! Love this sound. Top and bottom, meat, presens. Based on your earlier shootout, I'll bet my beard this is the Vintech

Raw 2: thinner in all aspects
Raw 3: strange mids
Raw 4: less clarity in the lows but this one would be my second choice if I couldn't have #1

Since I've almost ordered a Pacifica I'm really curious to know which one it is. I hope it's #4

Now, do I get to keep my beard

jeronimo · 14th March 2007, 10:51 AM

results? :)

Lynn Fuston · 14th March 2007, 11:37 AM

You know, it's funny.

All I hear when I listen to these clips (raw only) is how insignificant the gear is when you have wonderful talent in front of the mic.

That's all I have to offer.

ISedlacek · 14th March 2007, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynn Fuston

All I hear when I listen to these clips (raw only) is how insignificant the gear is when you have wonderful talent in front of the mic.

.. and also - how insignificant the gear is when you don´t have wonderful talent in front of the mic

Alexi · 14th March 2007, 11:41 AM

imho. #3 is def. the weakest of the bunch.....pretty cheesy song but it is sticking in my ear....can not get it out

cheers and thanks a lot for the shootout(s)

bwindsor · 14th March 2007, 11:50 AM

I'd be "somewhat" surprised if the Pacifica wasn't #4...and "stunned" if it wasn't #4 or #1... but I've been wrong before!

BW

chandlersonic · 14th March 2007, 11:53 AM

I'd say number one is vintech, 2 buzz( which I've never heard in real life so...). , 3 Great river and 4 pacifica ,I only listened to the raw tracks btw.

What I'll remember from this test is that I really like the vibe of the 2247le, I might pick one up for myself one of these days, I don't like it coupled with preamp number 1, too fizzy for my taste, but on all the others is sounds cool.

Number 3 is a little dark but I like it, not for this song but in a different context it could sounds just right.

The results please!!

mr jkn · 14th March 2007, 12:02 PM

listened to the raw ones...

3
4
1
2

..I did really like number three!

chandlersonic · 14th March 2007, 12:11 PM

OOps forgot to say what I liked best.

4
2-3 tied
1 dead last, hated that one

2 and 4 sound pretty close but 4 is a little smoother to my ears.

Koed · 14th March 2007, 12:13 PM

Hhmm.. guessing here cause I haven't used all of 'm.

2 & 3 have that distinct neve buzz in the mids and are a bit nasal in the mids so I'm guessing these are the Vintech & Great River.

1 & 4 lack that iron buzz and are my favorites with nr 1 having more air and nr 4 being more in your face. So I'm guessing these are the Pacifica and buzz.

I'm going on one limb here and give it a go:

1: Buzz
2: Vintech
3: Great River
4: Pacifica

You can start laughing now :)

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Pacifica or Great River	chrispick	So much gear, so little time!	77	6th January 2009 07:27 PM
Great River MP-2NV or A-Designs Pacifica????	stvintage	High end	29	27th March 2007 07:07 PM
Pacifica vs. Great River MP2NV ... I know I know	ryannorth	So much gear, so little time!	19	21st February 2007 01:00 AM
Great River vs. Pacifica?	Resonant Alien	So much gear, so little time!	2	3rd February 2007 05:59 PM
Pacifica,Phoenix,Great river?	Plove	So much gear, so little time!	7	17th March 2006 08:18 PM

14th March 2007, 01:26 AM	#5
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,861	1 2 4 3 all are pretty close...but I think #3 is not so smooth in certain parts of the vocal. I only hear the Raws for shootouts. __________________ ------------------ Peace. Reuven Amiel "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems" .

14th March 2007, 01:27 AM	#7
drumkideric Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 562	1 4 2 3 I thought 1 gave the vocals the most presence, which I really liked. 4 was just a tad too smooth for my tastes. __________________ Eric Green www.myspace.com/ericgreenmix

14th March 2007, 01:41 AM	#8
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,861	yeah! great recording an performance! there is cool vibe! __________________ ------------------ Peace. Reuven Amiel "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems" .

14th March 2007, 01:52 AM	#9
lpkyer Lives for gear Join Date: May 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 1,463	raw 1 3 2 4 eq 1 4 3 2 __________________ Louis-Philippe Kyer & Charlier www.kcstudio.net

14th March 2007, 01:15 AM	#3
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,861	Great! but how is this shootout? is about the mic pres on Vocals only right???? __________________ ------------------ Peace. Reuven Amiel "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems" .

14th March 2007, 01:19 AM	#4
WidgetNinja Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 507	4 2 1 3 3 had a weird filtery thing in the mids to my ears(I might like it a lot on bass). I really liked 4 though, the most involving and smooth.

14th March 2007, 01:27 AM	#6
Tone Obsessed Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 218	Tough when it's a full mix... HOWEVER, I like the overall sound and vibe you have going on with this tune - full, tight and clean... Nice job. Love to hear the final mix of this when you're done. TJ

14th March 2007, 01:53 AM	#10
jebjerome Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Easy Bay, California Posts: 473	1 2 4 3 And I'm guessing 1. Buzz, 2. Pacifica, 3. Vintech, 4. Great River.

14th March 2007, 01:56 AM	#11
jchas Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 570	3 4 1 2 I didn't try the eq'd versions. I'm more interested with the direct sound - lets me know how much eq'ing i'll have to do later. I actually like the smoother tones.

14th March 2007, 02:05 AM	#12
mcballs Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 279	From most favorite to least: 1 4 (really dug the sound, but a bit heavy for this mix) 2 3 And I'll fashion some guesses: 1 - Pacifica 2 - Great River 3 - Buzz (never heard one) 4 - Vintech

14th March 2007, 02:18 AM	#13
Johnkenn Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 2,268	Very interesting...I think I see it like this - from fav to least fav...1 and 4 are different beasts, but they both eq great and end up sounding great. 1 and 4 are a toss up to me...there's really not a bad one in the bunch. 1 4 2 3

14th March 2007, 02:35 AM	#14
reddirt Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 168	Thanks for that - 3 of the pres are on a possible shopping list for me (pity a Gordon wasn't in there) so it's got my interest. Great thread, great production/vocal. Which model Buzz and Vintech were they? I ass ume the GR was 1-NV. 3 &4 accentuated the sibilance but other than that there's no obvious stand out for me. Cheers, Ross

14th March 2007, 02:44 AM	#15
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,861	Definetly what is really obvious is the great quality of PELUSO MICS! __________________ ------------------ Peace. Reuven Amiel "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems" .

14th March 2007, 02:47 AM	#16
Winey Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 506	A guess just for fun. 1 - Vintech 2 - Buzz 3 - GR 4 - Pacifica

14th March 2007, 02:48 AM	#17
AllAboutTone Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: US DEFCON 3 Posts: 6,701	4 Pacifica mid scoop 3 Vintech has a little neve sound going on 2 Great River little transparent 1 Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thats was finally a good sounding shootout, altho they are much much different when they are in front of your monitors vs the files on here.. damn he forgot the API and Daking.... Flip Flop __________________ Using 500 Series is like trading baseball cards. Buzzaudio *Don't Fuk with my Tone !!!**.

14th March 2007, 03:38 AM	#18
BCains Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 294	Overall all i'm liking number 4. I'll take a guess and say its the Pacifica. __________________ "The only thing I like more than the sound of my own voice is seeing you listening to me."

14th March 2007, 06:57 AM	#19
ron florentine Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego,Ca Posts: 740	No Eq 1 4 2 3 With EQ 4 1 2 3 Quess 1-Pacifica 2-Great River 3-Buzz 4-Vintech PS They all sound good just some fit this style/arrangement better......Hurry tell us!!!! Ron Florentine Soundswest Studio

14th March 2007, 08:17 AM	#20
funka Gear addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: France Posts: 346	Number two is my fav. Full and rich without being harsh. __________________ "When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not."

14th March 2007, 10:46 AM	#21
ericwall Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 183	Again, the raw files were much easier to judge. Raw 1: Fantastic! Love this sound. Top and bottom, meat, presens. Based on your earlier shootout, I'll bet my beard this is the Vintech Raw 2: thinner in all aspects Raw 3: strange mids Raw 4: less clarity in the lows but this one would be my second choice if I couldn't have #1 Since I've almost ordered a Pacifica I'm really curious to know which one it is. I hope it's #4 Now, do I get to keep my beard

14th March 2007, 10:51 AM	#22
jeronimo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Salvador, BA - Brazil Posts: 2,560	results? :) __________________ Think Diferente! www.verticeestudio.com http://www.myspace.com/jelmet

14th March 2007, 11:37 AM	#23
Lynn Fuston Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Spring Hill, TN, USA Posts: 1,964	You know, it's funny. All I hear when I listen to these clips (raw only) is how insignificant the gear is when you have wonderful talent in front of the mic. That's all I have to offer. __________________ Lynn Fuston 3D Audio Inc. Host of 3dB

14th March 2007, 11:41 AM	#25
Alexi Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg Posts: 1,094	imho. #3 is def. the weakest of the bunch.....pretty cheesy song but it is sticking in my ear....can not get it out cheers and thanks a lot for the shootout(s) __________________ Vintage 19th and 20th century physics is fun! Karl

14th March 2007, 11:50 AM	#26
bwindsor Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ottawa Posts: 112	I'd be "somewhat" surprised if the Pacifica wasn't #4...and "stunned" if it wasn't #4 or #1... but I've been wrong before! BW Last edited by bwindsor; 14th March 2007 at 11:53 AM.. Reason: didn't complete answer

14th March 2007, 11:53 AM	#27
chandlersonic Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 847	I'd say number one is vintech, 2 buzz( which I've never heard in real life so...). , 3 Great river and 4 pacifica ,I only listened to the raw tracks btw. What I'll remember from this test is that I really like the vibe of the 2247le, I might pick one up for myself one of these days, I don't like it coupled with preamp number 1, too fizzy for my taste, but on all the others is sounds cool. Number 3 is a little dark but I like it, not for this song but in a different context it could sounds just right. The results please!!

14th March 2007, 12:02 PM	#28
mr jkn Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 310	listened to the raw ones... 3 4 1 2 ..I did really like number three!

14th March 2007, 12:11 PM	#29
chandlersonic Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 847	OOps forgot to say what I liked best. 4 2-3 tied 1 dead last, hated that one 2 and 4 sound pretty close but 4 is a little smoother to my ears.

14th March 2007, 12:13 PM	#30
Koed Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 378	Hhmm.. guessing here cause I haven't used all of 'm. 2 & 3 have that distinct neve buzz in the mids and are a bit nasal in the mids so I'm guessing these are the Vintech & Great River. 1 & 4 lack that iron buzz and are my favorites with nr 1 having more air and nr 4 being more in your face. So I'm guessing these are the Pacifica and buzz. I'm going on one limb here and give it a go: 1: Buzz 2: Vintech 3: Great River 4: Pacifica You can start laughing now :)

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Display Modes	Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode	Rate This Thread: