I know what I want yet have no idea what its called or how it works.

Tone Monster · 21st February 2007, 07:52 PM

Thats right. Please help me and bear with me. I'm building a home and will be putting together a home studio. I've been recording for the past 3-4 years with a stand alone DAW (Korg D1600). IT SUCKS. Time to step it up. I have decent out board stuff for now, 2 pres, avalon eq, portico 5042, lucid 2496 ad and da.

What I want is a daw and a control surface(I think?(faders and stuff, lol)).
I'm basically clueless as to what actual products I need. Help show me the way.
Budget is appox $20,000 (need to upgrade monitors also)

madcowvt · 21st February 2007, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tone Monster

Thats right. Please help me and bear with me. I'm building a home and will be putting together a home studio. I've been recording for the past 3-4 years with a stand alone DAW (Korg D1600). IT SUCKS. Time to step it up. I have decent out board stuff for now, 2 pres, avalon eq, portico 5042, lucid 2496 ad and da.

What I want is a daw and a control surface(I think?(faders and stuff, lol)).
I'm basically clueless as to what actual products I need. Help show me the way.
Budget is appox $20,000 (need to upgrade monitors also)

Does the 20k include the room and treatment or just for the gear (this will be the first most asked question once peeps chime in

)

Tone Monster · 21st February 2007, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcowvt

Does the 20k include the room and treatment or just for the gear (this will be the first most asked question once peeps chime in

)

Naw, I can go above the 20K for treatment. I'm going to build the control room to the ratios and Ethans site and will treat it accordingly after.

Kiwiburger · 21st February 2007, 11:37 PM

PC or Mac - that's the first hurdle. Do you have any computer experience? Familiarity with an OS will help.

I've been a Windows fan boy for a long time, but my patience has basically been stripped bare. Starting again, I think I would buy a Mac. Heretical I know.

Microsoft have made themselves rich by designing a fundamentally flawed platform, and then forcing customers to constantly apply fixes. This ensures there is never one stable version you can just buy and enjoy stress free. You become hoplessly addicted to Microsoft for "fixes" - every "fix" creating more problems. Once you are addicted, they are assured of a continuous revenue stream.

I'm sure Apple aren't perfect either - but they seem to be far less plagued with viruses and worms and crap. Less options, higher priced, but sometimes you just want something that works.

Tone Monster · 22nd February 2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

PC or Mac - that's the first hurdle. Do you have any computer experience? Familiarity with an OS will help.

I've been a Windows fan boy for a long time, but my patience has basically been stripped bare. Starting again, I think I would buy a Mac. Heretical I know.

Microsoft have made themselves rich by designing a fundamentally flawed platform, and then forcing customers to constantly apply fixes. This ensures there is never one stable version you can just buy and enjoy stress free. You become hoplessly addicted to Microsoft for "fixes" - every "fix" creating more problems. Once you are addicted, they are assured of a continuous revenue stream.

I'm sure Apple aren't perfect either - but they seem to be far less plagued with viruses and worms and crap. Less options, higher priced, but sometimes you just want something that works.

Probably leaning towards Protools just cause its the indrustry standard. I know it costs more but I don't want to worry about it. Protools and mac kinda go with each other, right?

Tone Monster · 23rd February 2007, 07:42 PM

bendecido · 23rd February 2007, 11:21 PM

get a mac my friend. every pc i have used seems to start having problems real soon. i know someone who just bought a new laptop and after the 2n week its having problems. Ive had a powerbook about a year now and it is jut perfecto. be aware i havent been using computers professionally for that long maybe about 2 years but im sure most users who have used pc and macs would say the same thing. Every major studio i know uses macs that must tell you something. I have no idea about the answer to youre original question though. good luck

Windtaken · 24th February 2007, 01:52 AM

omg! i have a D1600 too! It was my first recording experience when it came out years ago =]

if you figured out how to use that thing then mac or pc will still be easy. that thing was killer for a noobie like me at the time. to be honest, your pc will be fine as long as you know how to take care of it. some retards will blame windows for hardware issues...but whatever makes them feel more comfortable. and as mac gets more popular, viruses will start to be developed for it anyways.

Anyways, I wouldn't go with protools unless you're trying to build a business. If you're getting protools (simply for clients), get a U87 as well. If you're just recording yourself and your friends then neither is necessary.

so...music going in then to music coming out...

Microphones
Preamps
EQs, FX, Comps
A/D
Interface
Compooter
Software
Controller
D/A
Monitors

and then there's lots of products in each section.

Computer based DAWs...would include computer, software, interface, and convertors.
To start you off, look up Lavry, Mytek, Apogee, Universal Audio, Lynx, RME for convertors and interfaces. Those are some popular ones off the top of my head.

Software...Cubase, Protools, Logic, etc.

Controller...look up Mackie Control Universal or you may instead want an analog mixer

Monitors...ahhhhh there are too many out there...

People will probably chime in with ones I've missed.

If you're looking for high quality sound then upgrade items earlier in the signal chain.

Instruments
Room
Microphones and preamps (don't ask which of the two is more important...it will start a pointless debate)
A/D

I think that should get you started...

piano · 24th February 2007, 03:11 AM

I really think you are pissing your money away with Protools. It really does not make sense unless you are actually making money with your Protools rig. Put your money into a nice set of mics or outboard instead.

Get Logic or Digital Performer with a MOTU box, hook it up to your Lucid converter and get a pair of Dynaudio's, Events or Adams (or the monitor flavor of the month). You'll have to fry in the monitor hell pan for a while and listen to everyone one say you have to listen to the monitors and decide for yourself (of course lots of times you can not listen to a demo pair and just take the plunge based on the stuff you read here) --- but heck it's fun spending money.

And definitely a Mac in my humble opinion.

Have fun!!! $20,000 is nice chunk to spend. Please don't blow it on Protools and find out years later it is worth next to nothing and kick yourself because you could have purchased some nice outboard or mics which tend to hold their value much better than the computer stuff.

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21st February 2007, 07:52 PM	#1
Tone Monster Gear Head Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 37	I know what I want yet have no idea what its called or how it works. Thats right. Please help me and bear with me. I'm building a home and will be putting together a home studio. I've been recording for the past 3-4 years with a stand alone DAW (Korg D1600). IT SUCKS. Time to step it up. I have decent out board stuff for now, 2 pres, avalon eq, portico 5042, lucid 2496 ad and da. What I want is a daw and a control surface(I think?(faders and stuff, lol)). I'm basically clueless as to what actual products I need. Help show me the way. Budget is appox $20,000 (need to upgrade monitors also)

21st February 2007, 11:37 PM	#4
Kiwiburger Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,816	PC or Mac - that's the first hurdle. Do you have any computer experience? Familiarity with an OS will help. I've been a Windows fan boy for a long time, but my patience has basically been stripped bare. Starting again, I think I would buy a Mac. Heretical I know. Microsoft have made themselves rich by designing a fundamentally flawed platform, and then forcing customers to constantly apply fixes. This ensures there is never one stable version you can just buy and enjoy stress free. You become hoplessly addicted to Microsoft for "fixes" - every "fix" creating more problems. Once you are addicted, they are assured of a continuous revenue stream. I'm sure Apple aren't perfect either - but they seem to be far less plagued with viruses and worms and crap. Less options, higher priced, but sometimes you just want something that works. __________________ Once you let the magic smoke escape, you can't expect it to work again unless you take it to a wizzard and have him put more smoke inside ... tINY

23rd February 2007, 07:42 PM	#6
Tone Monster Gear Head Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 37	^^^

24th February 2007, 01:52 AM	#8
Windtaken Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 263	omg! i have a D1600 too! It was my first recording experience when it came out years ago =] if you figured out how to use that thing then mac or pc will still be easy. that thing was killer for a noobie like me at the time. to be honest, your pc will be fine as long as you know how to take care of it. some retards will blame windows for hardware issues...but whatever makes them feel more comfortable. and as mac gets more popular, viruses will start to be developed for it anyways. Anyways, I wouldn't go with protools unless you're trying to build a business. If you're getting protools (simply for clients), get a U87 as well. If you're just recording yourself and your friends then neither is necessary. so...music going in then to music coming out... Microphones Preamps EQs, FX, Comps A/D Interface Compooter Software Controller D/A Monitors and then there's lots of products in each section. Computer based DAWs...would include computer, software, interface, and convertors. To start you off, look up Lavry, Mytek, Apogee, Universal Audio, Lynx, RME for convertors and interfaces. Those are some popular ones off the top of my head. Software...Cubase, Protools, Logic, etc. Controller...look up Mackie Control Universal or you may instead want an analog mixer Monitors...ahhhhh there are too many out there... People will probably chime in with ones I've missed. If you're looking for high quality sound then upgrade items earlier in the signal chain. Instruments Room Microphones and preamps (don't ask which of the two is more important...it will start a pointless debate) A/D I think that should get you started... __________________ Simon

23rd February 2007, 11:21 PM	#7
bendecido Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 441	get a mac my friend. every pc i have used seems to start having problems real soon. i know someone who just bought a new laptop and after the 2n week its having problems. Ive had a powerbook about a year now and it is jut perfecto. be aware i havent been using computers professionally for that long maybe about 2 years but im sure most users who have used pc and macs would say the same thing. Every major studio i know uses macs that must tell you something. I have no idea about the answer to youre original question though. good luck

24th February 2007, 03:11 AM	#9
piano Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 521	I really think you are pissing your money away with Protools. It really does not make sense unless you are actually making money with your Protools rig. Put your money into a nice set of mics or outboard instead. Get Logic or Digital Performer with a MOTU box, hook it up to your Lucid converter and get a pair of Dynaudio's, Events or Adams (or the monitor flavor of the month). You'll have to fry in the monitor hell pan for a while and listen to everyone one say you have to listen to the monitors and decide for yourself (of course lots of times you can not listen to a demo pair and just take the plunge based on the stuff you read here) --- but heck it's fun spending money. And definitely a Mac in my humble opinion. Have fun!!! $20,000 is nice chunk to spend. Please don't blow it on Protools and find out years later it is worth next to nothing and kick yourself because you could have purchased some nice outboard or mics which tend to hold their value much better than the computer stuff.

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