Peluso P28 MD tube mic

[henryrobinett]

Yes, but did you listen to them? The P28 didn't sound chinese to me (what a pejorative and nasty term). To me the P28 had plenty of warmth. Clarity across the spectrum. Nice unhyped highs. The Gefell sounded too dark and muffled. I just relistened about 5 times. 2X the cost, huh? Damn.

[Rick Shepherd]

Henry, did you listen to the ones David, from Soundpure, posted? Didn't the P28 with the Pacifica pre sound incredible or what?

[drBill]

Originally Posted by henryrobinett

Yes, but did you listen to them? The P28 didn't sound chinese to me (what a pejorative and nasty term). To me the P28 had plenty of warmth. Clarity across the spectrum. Nice unhyped highs. The Gefell sounded too dark and muffled. I just relistened about 5 times. 2X the cost, huh? Damn.

Henry - Yes, I did listen to them. Many times. The "chinese" comment was based on listening on LSR28P's - extremely detailed in the mids and non hyped in the highs. The P28 certainly has more highs - and to my ears, not necessarily in a beautiful way. It's more bright in a "pop" sort of sense.

The Gefell clip is easily fixed. It loves hi end EQ. (Surprisingly to me, that UM70 seems to be quite dull sounding to what I am used to with my UM70's.) But let's put the brightness issue aside. It's obvious the Gefell needs more and perhaps (personal preferences obviously apply) the Peluso needs less. But that is not my main issue with the Peluso.


What I'm hearing in the Gefell is something that is definately lacking in the Peluso - something that cannot be added by twisting a knob. A more 3D, dimensional, rounder, (aarggghhh! for lack of a better word) - euphonic - image. I can easily and gently lift the top of the Gefell to make it sparkel. You can hear it - it almost begs for it. And with that, the sound becomes stellar. With the Peluso, there is just a....its hard for me to put into words. There's a lack of dimension. A flat quality that the Geffel does not exhibit. I know I may be splitting hairs for some of you, but I can hear more "behind" the Geffel than I can the Peluso. In the recording I do, that is generally more desireable. Perhaps not for you. It may be due to the room sound behind the instrument. Maybe the Peluso has a tighter pattern. The Peluso would work wonderfully in a dense pop mix or country record - kind of like where I would traditionally use a C451, but the Geffel is more musical to my ears. The P28 would not be my first choice in a solo setting where there were no other instruments surrounding it.

Hey, I don't want you to think that I'm a mic snob or Peluso basher. Far from it! That's just the way I heard it. I want a couple P12's and maybe a 2247LE.

Cheers,

bp

[peeder]

I'm interested in the Mojave MA-100 pencil tube done by Dave Royer...same price and concept...comes with both card & omni caps for the price...I love my MA-200.

Wonder how these compare.

[henryrobinett]

DrBill -- Oh hey, that's fine. We all hear things differently! I certainly wouldn't apply the pop comment, not for myself anyway. I'm a jazz musician and guitarist by profession, so pop doesn't sparkle my particular ears. You know, I record acoustic music. That guitar sounds more like my guitars when I play them. I'm not used to hearing acoustic guitars so muffled.

I think I can discern what you're saying though. I'm just wondering whether our admitted biases aren't getting in the way a little with our perceptions?

Having tested the mic in a variety of contexts, it seems to give me what I hear, balanced and unhyped. I really dislike hyped highs in mics. Niether the P28 or the CEMC-6 are hyped. The CEMC-6 actually has a bigger bottom, or more woofy. The P28 is tighter and more focused, as you can perhaps tell with these two samples.

But you know, that's what makes the world go 'round.

[henryrobinett]

Originally Posted by Rick Shepherd

Henry, did you listen to the ones David, from Soundpure, posted? Didn't the P28 with the Pacifica pre sound incredible or what?

Yeah it sounded great. I was confused by the website. It says P28 but then it says it's a CEMC-6 pair. It was played a little louder and more bass heavy between those low C# and F#s so it's hard to draw a fair comparison. But it sounds very good to me.

[drBill]

Originally Posted by henryrobinett

But you know, that's what makes the world go 'round.

Yeah, it's all good. I use the Gefell's mostly for ac gtrs or woodwinds. I suspect that the placement of the gefell was off a bit. I normally think of the Gefell as bright. I own several of them and I would not catagorize any of them as "dull" sounding mics like the sample clip. Didn't sound "right" to me, but I still liked it better than the P28. Looking forward to using some Peluso's at some point.

[thermos]

DRBill, I have the JBL LSR-28Ps also, and found the exact same thing. Through sennheiser headphones, the P-28s sounded incredible, but through the mains a little 2d and harsh. Kinda reminded me of the U-195 sound, not cheap, but definitely edgy.

Would love to check out the CEMC-6s. Any sound links?

[krs]

Just goes to show you how important it is not to listen to y'all

For me the clip of Peluso vs. UMT70 is complete annihilation in favour of the Gefell.

(At least that's the quality of tone I usually aspire to make...)

[Resonant Alien]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really get trying to compare a $750 mic to a $1500 mic as apples and apples. I would certainly hope the UMT70 sounds "better" than the Peluso - it is twice the price! I know, price doesn't always mean better, but when it is $750 vs $1500, it has to mean something. If the UMT70 sounds better, it doesn't mean the Peluso doesn't sound great for a mic its price.

[animix]

Originally Posted by Resonant Alien

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really get trying to compare a $750 mic to a $1500 mic as apples and apples. I would certainly hope the UMT70 sounds "better" than the Peluso - it is twice the price! I know, price doesn't always mean better, but when it is $750 vs $1500, it has to mean something. If the UMT70 sounds better, it doesn't mean the Peluso doesn't sound great for a mic its price.

Well, if someone will send me a pair of P28's and a pair of UMT70's, I'll A/B/C them with my Manley Baby Blues, and return them right after my next bluegrass session wraps.

[henryrobinett]

You heard the clips? Wow. To me there was no comparison between the P28 and the Gefell. The Gefell sounded like it had a pillow all around it. Really, you preferred it, huh?

[krs]

Absolutely. No question - I love recordings to sound natural and as if I were there. The Gefell sounded much more natural to me, absolutely no comparison for the kind of music I like to make.

[henryrobinett]

Well that's totally cool. I can imagine wat you're hearing. What kind of music do you like to make? I'm sure you're a much more experienced engineer than I am.

I do acoustic music, probably like you. I'm a guitarist by profession and I can't hear the guitar like the Gefell. I mean none of the acoustics I play sound that muffled or without high end unless I haven't changed my strings for a year. And even then.

There's perhaps something else in the high end of the P28. Almost brittle that I don't hear in mine. But I dont hear the high end in the Gefell. The mids are nice but without the upper partials it sounds to me like a sock was thrown over it. It doesn't sound true to any acoustic I play nor does it represent the sound of acoustics I've come to expect.

But of course that's just me. It's interesting to hear how other people hear things.

[markk]

A huge Peluso fan, especially the 251, 2247 LE, but i gota say I liked the Geffel better on the acoustic clips compared to the P28.
Loved the P28 on the Piano through the Pacifica though.

[animix]

Originally Posted by krs

Absolutely. No question - I love recordings to sound natural and as if I were there. The Gefell sounded much more natural to me, absolutely no comparison for the kind of music I like to make.

Agreed.

[arpodthegreat]

p28 looks like it's a similar idea to the charter oak s600. similar price and design. both are front address tube mics. not really pencil mics at least not the charter oak because that is a big mic. i can't tell how big the peluso is. looks like it comes with the audio technica shock mount (which i love) so i guess it can't be that fat. curious about the mojave someone mentioned. i heard the MA-200 on my friends voice and it was nothing short of amazing. we were having so much trouble getting the right vocal sound and then this mic just fixed everything. the MA-100 looks awesome indeed.
i'd say that a pair of each of the mojaves, a pair of umt70s a couple ribbons and some dynamics and you would have a beautiful sounding mic locker. i've been thinking about this recently. instead of having options just get the mics you think sound great and just use those for everything.

[animix]

Originally Posted by arpodthegreat

p28 looks like it's a similar idea to the charter oak s600. similar price and design. both are front address tube mics. not really pencil mics at least not the charter oak because that is a big mic. i can't tell how big the peluso is. looks like it comes with the audio technica shock mount (which i love) so i guess it can't be that fat. curious about the mojave someone mentioned. i heard the MA-200 on my friends voice and it was nothing short of amazing. we were having so much trouble getting the right vocal sound and then this mic just fixed everything. the MA-100 looks awesome indeed.
i'd say that a pair of each of the mojaves, a pair of umt70s a couple ribbons and some dynamics and you would have a beautiful sounding mic locker. i've been thinking about this recently. instead of having options just get the mics you think sound great and just use those for everything.

Not to get to OT here, but since we're talking Peluso and Mojave here now, I have two of the Royer modded Marshall V67's here that I fitted with Peluso cardioid capsules. Love them. I'm thinking about building a couple of brass shells for them and damping the insides with something or other.........something like this most likely........http://www.10000cows.com/SomeMicPhotos.htm

I'd be interested in checking out the Mojave tube SDC's as well