Sad news...another great NYC area studio closes its doors...

[jomo1234]

Coyote Studios, which was a true pioneer in bringing about the rennaisance of Williamsburg Brooklyn is closing their doors after 20 years. It has a really great atmosphere with a vintage API 2488 and tons of great gear. So many great records were made there. Apparently the rent is being tripled, and sadly this is an all to common story. It's so angering to see a small business being pushed out of a neighborhood that it helped create.

I fear for the artistic future of this great city. Neighborhoods like Williamburg were once refuges for artists seeking to find reasonable rents within close proximity to NYC. Greenpoint, Red Hook, L.I.C. are all seeing this alarming trend in rent hikes and major development. My neighborhood (Dumbo) is already populated by new high luxury rises and million dollar loft conversions. A lot of the artistic community has been squeezed out now that the neighborhood has built a residential infrastructure. I know this topic has been covered before, but I wanted to vent...and show my support for a great studio that will be sadly missed.

[Stoneroses6300]

Dude, **** the city...Live in the wilderness and make music..."Artists" dont go to citys...They don't want to be recognized. They make music elsewhere and everywhere...Anyone who insists that music needs to be made in a city are culture sluts...

[jomo1234]

That is a such a ridiculous statement....the reason so many people come here to make art is that being here is inspiring.

Originally Posted by Stoneroses6300

Dude, **** the city...Live in the wilderness and make music..."Artists" dont go to citys...They don't want to be recognized. They make music elsewhere and everywhere...Anyone who insists that music needs to be made in a city are culture sluts...

[thenoiseflower]

thats shitty man, the whole country is so ****ed up, its not just devs in the big cities, everything is aimed at sending money higher up the chain to the real ****ing execu-snakes killing babies in africa. I hate living in this world, but there is no recording music in death so we have to stick around for a bit.


do you know whats happeneing to the 3288?

[nosebleedaudio]

Even in smaller towns this is and will continue to happen.
Down the street from me, not NY by any means but a small peice of property was bought about 10 years ago for around 160K, built a 2 room studio ect, about a year ago the property "only" sold for 800K, they gutted the building and put in a high end cabinet store.
The studio could not support that kind of place...
Its a good and bad thing, property should go up in value...
If it was mine I would love for it to double or triple...

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by Stoneroses6300

Dude, **** the city...Live in the wilderness and make music..."Artists" dont go to citys...They don't want to be recognized. They make music elsewhere and everywhere...Anyone who insists that music needs to be made in a city are culture sluts...

even though this is a sort of random and extreme statement,
it definitely resonates with me,
and where i am in my life in a large way, as we're currently
living in a much more serene, healthy and beautiful environment.

i grew up in the city, and lived there all my life.
i've paid (and still pay, though much less now) my urban dues.

and we still keep our apt. and studio in the city,
and i still travel to other cities for business every now and then.

but i'm really over all that crazy stress, noise,
stinky subways, dirt and often out of control bad energy.

anyhow, i think funky little stores and small unique businesses
are overrated - and besides, where would all the poor little
starbucks and barnes and nobles go?

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by thenoiseflower

do you know whats happeneing to the 3288?

lol - the true slut comes out.

[The Byre]

Very sorry to hear this. People who have recorded with us have mixed at Coyote.

But don't get too smug my friends about living in the country. What happens in the city, happens in the sticks - it just takes a while!

[djui5]

Originally Posted by Stoneroses6300

Dude, **** the city...Live in the wilderness and make music..."Artists" dont go to citys...They don't want to be recognized. They make music elsewhere and everywhere...Anyone who insists that music needs to be made in a city are culture sluts...

Are you f'n kidding me? How long have you been in this industry, 5 min's?


Sorry to hear about the studios closing. Sad news.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by jomo1234

....the reason so many people come here to make art is that being here is inspiring.

And all this time i thought it was the hot Hipster chicks in Williamsburg.
(By the way do you know if they will relocate?).

[jomo1234]

The studio is selling off everything, so that pretty much seems like the last nail in the coffin.

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

And all this time i thought it was the hot Hipster chicks in Williamsburg.
(By the way do you know if they will relocate?).

[majortom]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

And all this time i thought it was the hot Hipster chicks in Williamsburg.
(By the way do you know if they will relocate?).

Hipster chicks are drawn to cheap cans of Pabst Blue Ribbon, tequila shots and guys with $7 haircuts in hoodies, so probably not.

Oh... you mean the studio

[paterno]

Originally Posted by Stoneroses6300

Dude, **** the city...Live in the wilderness and make music..."Artists" dont go to citys...They don't want to be recognized. They make music elsewhere and everywhere...Anyone who insists that music needs to be made in a city are culture sluts...

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Please tell me this post was a joke. I'd hate to start conjuring up all the stereotypes of 'wilderness living'...

John

[thenoodle]

How does one power an ssl in the wilderness.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by majortom

Hipster chicks are drawn to cheap cans of Pabst Blue Ribbon, tequila shots and guys with $7 haircuts in hoodies, so probably not.

Beats trying to score with an uptight wannabee manhattan chick in $2k Manolo Blahniks heels, a $10K handbag and wife beater at Bungalow 8 who only wants to go home with you if can score some eight balls for her.

[Soldier777c]

Originally Posted by thenoodle

How does one power an ssl in the wilderness.

You start by building a dam at the closest river.

[ToddF]

Sorry to hear this. Always sad when a studio has to close.

Change can be good though.


Good luck, Todd

[danasti]

Originally Posted by jomo1234

That is a such a ridiculous statement....the reason so many people come here to make art is that being here is inspiring.

It is inspiring. And yeah, that is a ridiculous statement. I'm in LIC right now. One, 3 minute stop from Grand Central Station and it sucks a big pile of ass that 6 new high rises are going up on the waterfront. McDonalds drive thrus offers a home for people to be just like everyone else.

These MC Yuppies are buying into these MC Condos at out of control prices. They even have rules where you can't hang certain things on your walls and you can't have certain colors of curtains in your windows. WTF, is there a camera in the bathroom to make sure they don't pee in the shower?

One thing to take comfort in is that eventually this bubble will burst. When it does the trendy will move out, because it's then trendy to do so. There have been alot of smaller studios opening up. It's always sad to see something end and leave us but there is something new that will follow. People will always create art and record music in NYC. For alot of us it's a truely magical place and there's really no place I'd rather be.

[djui5]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Beats trying to score with an uptight wannabee manhattan chick in $2k Manolo Blahniks heels, a $10K handbag and wife beater at Bungalow 8 who only wants to go home with you if can score some eight balls for her.

Kinda like LA huh?

[Stoneroses6300]

It's a ridiculous statement to those who already live in the city, of course, and need to justify their obseqious nature by defending their animal herd choices.....People who make music in the city are people who are self-proclaimed "artists", in other words, people who are concerned about finding their self-identity when not wanting to be defined by all the money they were born into...It's old and done...Take the Dave Fridmann route. Record creative bands like Mercury Rev in upstate NY, rather than gay "artists" like Daniel Powter...

[Jack P]

Originally Posted by Stoneroses6300

Take the Dave Fridmann route. Record creative bands like Mercury Rev in upstate NY, rather than gay "artists" like Daniel Powter...

Dave Fridman Rocks - But easy with the homophobe posts dude..

[dillweed]

20 years of renting in the same location?

add up all the rental, they made someone else rich.

If you are going to own a business BUY THE PROPERTY.

There's obviously a reason studios are going out of biz in NYC. Property is where the money is.

As Ray Kroc, founder of McDonalds said "i'm not in the business of selling hamburgers, i'm in the property business".

[Greg Curtis]

Originally Posted by dillweed

20 years of renting in the same location?

add up all the rental, they made someone else rich.

If you are going to own a business BUY THE PROPERTY.

There's obviously a reason studios are going out of biz in NYC. Property is where the money is.

As Ray Kroc, founder of McDonalds said "i'm not in the business of selling hamburgers, i'm in the property business".

Couldn't agree more!

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by dillweed

20 years of renting in the same location?

add up all the rental, they made someone else rich.

If you are going to own a business BUY THE PROPERTY.

There's obviously a reason studios are going out of biz in NYC. Property is where the money is.

As Ray Kroc, founder of McDonalds said "i'm not in the business of selling hamburgers, i'm in the property business".

Wow...ok Mr."lets buy the property" please instruct us on how we can go out and buy a 6 story building in midtown Manhattan for around $40-50 million dollars? Just for the sake of building a studio that will struggle in todays market when you can book the majority of big name studios for an average of $60-$75 prhr(which will all go out of business eventually as well)? Not to mention dealing with the incredible high property taxes in lower Manhattan, the zoning permits, inspector licenses and any fines which they always find in new builidngs? What if they decide you need a new elevator and heating system before you reopen? That can set you back a cool $250-$300K. And there is the complaints by your rich neighbors who don't want "the wrong element" hanging around their property. Its bad for business.

Lets face it the writing was on the wall with Unique Recording Studios. They were in the 80's the top studio in NYC and they had a 25 yr lease. They built the studios over 3 floors in a building in midtown Manhattan. Who would think after all that they wouldn't get a new lease? But they didn't. Out on the street like they never existed. Now they are an afterthought.

Real Estate here is premium. Its like a NYC Oil Well or Gold.

In Brooklyn Bruce Ratner declared an Imminent Domain construction project(what a joke) to build a complex in downtown Brooklyn and got it passed(another joke).Everyone in the area has to go(including recording studios). And they ain't building no highway or a subway train stop. They are building a freaking Sports Complex with High Rises for business. Its a money project. They claim its for public interest. Look like its more private if you ask me.

The studio business here eventually will become an afterthought. And no one will notice.

[majortom]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Beats trying to score with an uptight wannabee manhattan chick in $2k Manolo Blahniks heels, a $10K handbag and wife beater at Bungalow 8 who only wants to go home with you if can score some eight balls for her.

That $10,000 handbag better come stuffed with $9950 worth of coke... or a Fairchild 670.

[Stitch333]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

And all this time i thought it was the hot Hipster chicks in Williamsburg.
(By the way do you know if they will relocate?).

or 'kokie's' for an early morning boost

[Slipperman]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

The studio business here eventually will become an afterthought. And no one will notice.

Sad, but probably true.

Then again... a lot can change in a very short time in NYC metro.

I BOUGHT in Jersey(the first time of 2 times) 20 years ago for this very reason.

It's funny how quickly: "The other side of the moon"(a phrase one New Yorker once used to describe the concept of travelling to a studio in Jersey City... a whopping 3 miles away from Midtown) can turn into "Just across the River", as options diminish.

Anyhoo. Sorry to see Coyote go the way of the steamship.

They did some very solid work in that shop over the years, and were well liked by many.

The API has been for sale for about 2 months now if memory serves me.

SM.

[Slipperman]

Originally Posted by Stoneroses6300

It's a ridiculous statement to those who already live in the city, of course, and need to justify their obseqious nature by defending their animal herd choices.....People who make music in the city are people who are self-proclaimed "artists", in other words, people who are concerned about finding their self-identity when not wanting to be defined by all the money they were born into...It's old and done...Take the Dave Fridmann route. Record creative bands like Mercury Rev in upstate NY, rather than gay "artists" like Daniel Powter...

David has had his own passel of problems at TarBox. Just like EVERYBODY who runs a private production house(which isn't EXACTLY what Coyote was anyways).

And his "Rural Vibee" hasn't exactly benefited every band he's had up there carte blanche.

Not by a long shot.

A coupla trees and some wildlife crapping on the front lawn at the end of a gravel road, doesn't always buy you a great record.

Sometimes it buys you a friggin' SNOOZEFEST.

Or worse.

And I'm FAAARRRR from alone in that Assesment.

Whole lotta BLOCKED KICKS have been made in VERY PRETTY PLACES over the years.

I know. I made some of them.

HOHOHO.



SM.

[Masterer]

Originally Posted by Stoneroses6300

It's a ridiculous statement to those who already live in the city, of course, and need to justify their obseqious nature by defending their animal herd choices.....People who make music in the city are people who are self-proclaimed "artists", in other words, people who are concerned about finding their self-identity when not wanting to be defined by all the money they were born into...It's old and done...Take the Dave Fridmann route. Record creative bands like Mercury Rev in upstate NY, rather than gay "artists" like Daniel Powter...

Yeah, there's definitely no gay artists in upstate NY.

[redddog]

I lived in NYC for 15 years and saw this shit all the time. We had an awesome apartment in Park Slope and by the time it really caught on, the f'ing landlords had raised rent on ALL the cool hangs. We lost 10-15 of the coolest places all because the rents were hiked. One of them was a pizza place that had been in the hood since 1905. The neighborhood suffered hugely. The landlords made a fortune but ruined the hood. I saw it happening in Williamsburg from a mile away. You can't find a reasonable place in Williamsburg without paying through the nose now. 7-8 years ago, no problem. Now, forget it.

The problem too is, unlike danasti thinks, this won't change. NYC has been expanding for years and that's never going to slow. There may be some new neighbor hood but it doesn't make the old one any less desireable. The reason.... because NYC is one of the centers of culture in this country and it is a magical place to be. I had to move away for work, but there isn't a day in my life that I don't spend missing that town. And there isn't a day that I don't spend dreaming of the day I move back. My wife is miserable outside of that town.

Who knows. Maybe the Bronx will be the next new hot neighborhood. You could most likely get a sweet space there for nothing. They said that about Harlem 10 years ago and people laughed.