What's up with King's X? - Page 3

Blast9 · 15th February 2007, 05:43 PM

I know where you live

**mwagener** · 17th February 2007, 07:12 AM

More pictures:

Here is the guitar pre setup. On Ogretones we mostly used the TOP BOOST and the PLEXI. This time we are using a lot of different modules, but especially a Dave Friedman modified PLEXI (on top two MW-1 studitools

and the new Portico 5016H pre with variable phase, haven't had time to check this one out yet, will do next week, report follows)

Cabinets: bottom left 4X12 Celestion G12H Anniversary; middle bottom Randall 4X12 Vintage 30s; middle top ENGL 4X12 Vintage 30s. This one is hooked up to an amazing sounding Voodoo 100W Plexi, which is so loud, I am a bit scared to put a ribbon in front of it, so I'm still looking to find the right mic for it.

Mics, from left to right R-121 (Chandler TG-2), R-121 (Chandler TG2), Sennheiser 409 (THE actual one Udo sang Balls To The Wall on) (Chandler Germanium pre), GrooveTubes Convertible (SCA A12)

..and the RM20 with the Royer R-122V/Chandler TG channel, amazing combination:

Some of the mic pres I have in to check out

Tonelux rack (sounds amazing), JM-130, a great clean but punchy pre, the new GrooveTubes SuPre (report coming up soon)

One more picture of dUg's bass setup:

And finally dUg's vocal setup. We are using the SCA N72 followed by a Distressor as a vocal chain:

This will be our setup for most of the overdubs. I have some super cool gear on the way

, will post pictures as soon as it gets here.

Prickstein · 17th February 2007, 11:54 AM

Michael, is there a specific module that gets used mostly on the RM20? (I just got mine yesterday!) And could you tell us about the Dave Friedman mod on the Plexi? I seem to be hearing his name a lot in regard to module mods for big name players but have no idea who he is. Is it available to Johnny Public like myself?

nosebleedaudio · 17th February 2007, 01:14 PM

Michael,
Did you check out the JM130 on vocals?
Nice pics and details...
I need a better camera...mine always come out to dark.
Also which settings on the Distressor are you using?

monkeyt · 17th February 2007, 05:04 PM

I love the fact Udo gets a name check!!

BALLLLLS TO THE WALLLLLL
nice

Jay Kahrs · 18th February 2007, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prickstein

And could you tell us about the Dave Friedman mod on the Plexi? I seem to be hearing his name a lot in regard to module mods for big name players but have no idea who he is. Is it available to Johnny Public like myself?

Dave Friedman is an LA-based guy who mods & builds all kinds of guitar related rigs...massive pedal boards, rack systems, amp mods & repairs etc. I'm pretty sure he'll work for anybody if you've got the ca$h. I think his company is called "Rack Systems"? Should be findable...

**mwagener** · 18th February 2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Kahrs

Dave Friedman is an LA-based guy who mods & builds all kinds of guitar related rigs...massive pedal boards, rack systems, amp mods & repairs etc. I'm pretty sure he'll work for anybody if you've got the ca$h. I think his company is called "Rack Systems"? Should be findable...

I sent an email to Dave to see if he wants his contact info up here. But yes, Rack Systems Limited is his company name.

**mwagener** · 18th February 2007, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nosebleedaudio

Michael,
Did you check out the JM130 on vocals?
Nice pics and details...
I need a better camera...mine always come out to dark.
Also which settings on the Distressor are you using?

Still working on checking out all the gear that I have on loan. It's much easier to do that in a workshop than during a full on project.

For most of the pictures I use a Canon 5D camera, and some of them are shot with a Samsung NV10.

Here are the Distressor settings. The top one is on the lead vocal and hits -17 to -20 on the loud parts. The Ratio is set to 6:1
The bottom one is still set from the GrooveTubes Convertible mic on the snare. It goes through the old GrooveTubes MP1 mic pre which doesn't have an output knob, but it sounds great when slightly overloaded, so I put the Distressor after it to control the level to the converters. The bottom Distressor is on a 6:1 Ratio as well. Fletcher taught me the trick with having the Detector on LINK but don't connect a cable to the link plug on the back which will triple the DISTORTION setting, sounds cool, thanx Fletcher.

**mwagener** · 18th February 2007, 05:05 PM

And they say Christmas is in December...

I can't believe how great this stuff sounds, I'm totally stoked. More later after I wipe the drool off my mouth

**mwagener** · 18th February 2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prickstein

Michael, is there a specific module that gets used mostly on the RM20? (I just got mine yesterday!) And could you tell us about the Dave Friedman mod on the Plexi? I seem to be hearing his name a lot in regard to module mods for big name players but have no idea who he is. Is it available to Johnny Public like myself?

The modules change for different tracks, but most of the tracking of the basic Rgtr was done with Ty's XTC.

The PLEXI mod gives it more gain and it enhances the mid range in a very cool way. It might not sound like a PLEXI anymore but it turnes it into another great module. So if you only have one PLEXI, get another one for the mod.

Chris · 23rd February 2007, 12:07 AM

Great thread.

ToeJamFootball · 23rd February 2007, 05:40 AM

Hello Michael, thanks very much for doing this, I have been looking forward to it since I heard they were back in the studio.

Just a question about Dug's rig. Are you able to tell me what settings he is using with the Behringer? I was surprised to see this here, and it would be cool to know if he is using any cab models and such.

Oh and tell him to rock the 12er some more

Thanks again

**mwagener** · 23rd February 2007, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToeJamFootball

Hello Michael, thanks very much for doing this, I have been looking forward to it since I heard they were back in the studio.

Just a question about Dug's rig. Are you able to tell me what settings he is using with the Behringer? I was surprised to see this here, and it would be cool to know if he is using any cab models and such.

Oh and tell him to rock the 12er some more

Thanks again

Here is the only (very bad) picture I have of the settings. I think you can make out most of it, if you have the unit.

**mwagener** · 23rd February 2007, 06:45 AM

We are in heavy overdub/vocal mode right now. With 15 songs to finish we are a bit under schedule stress.

The only new setups are the MojaveAudio MA200 for everything percussion (via the Germanium pre and EQ and a Distressor), and Fritz via the Tonelux rack (very clean and 3D sounding) for the gang backing vocals. Ty and Jerry's vocals are being recorded with the Soundelux E47 via the GrooveTubes SuPre (very clean pre but with an attitude) and the Chandler Zener compressor, which is an absolute monster, the BigFoot of compressors.

Acoustic guitar setup coming soon with more pictures...

ToeJamFootball · 23rd February 2007, 07:33 AM

Thanks man.

ramjet · 23rd February 2007, 04:57 PM

hey toejam

good to see you back

gotta love this thread huh

kt66 · 26th February 2007, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

Great thread.

Just wait until you hear the record! I had the pleasure of being there while they cut the basic tracks for the first 8 songs and let me tell you - I can pretty much guarantee that this is going to be one of the best King's X records yet!!!

The songs are fantastic and Ty's guitar tone with the Elite Strat, RM20 and XTC module was killer (I'm sooo glad he is using this guitar again). I can only imagine what things are going to end up like when they are finished. It just sucks to have to wait months to hear it....

The world is truly a much better place now that King's X and Michael have joined forces.

ToeJamFootball · 26th February 2007, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramjet

hey toejam

good to see you back

gotta love this thread huh

Hey dude, yeah it is awesome of Michael to do this.

I think I will be hanging around here a bit more, the Recording Forum over at Harmony Central is good, but this place is more oriented that way it seems. Great resource.

**mwagener** · 1st March 2007, 05:56 AM

Well, we are almost done tracking and I just found out from Ty that he never once changed strings on any of the guitars we used and that the strings on the Elite are at least 7 years old, probably older. How is that for some recording info. The guitar tracks sound amazing and they were played with 7 year old strings

You think Ty's ability as a guitar player had anything to do with the tones we got?

davew · 1st March 2007, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwagener

...and I just found out from Ty that he never once changed strings on any of the guitars we used...

just heard? ty said that on satuday, where were you?

those strings sounded good to me, i've always favored old strings. (in some tunes anyway!) ty had excellent tone, as did dug, and jerry. i don't know if you had replaced the behringer in dug's setup before i heard it, but whatever it was...it freaking rocked! thick stuff!

i enjoyed the 'many' different tones in ty's 'catsrhapsody' lead parts! that was cool! i do have one question michael: what did you call the little green headed guy in the iso/drum booth? (gang vox) he owes me a dollar!

Blast9 · 1st March 2007, 01:12 PM

Hey welcome davew... Can't get into your forum for some reason!

***

Re guitar strings. I distinctly remeber Ty years ago saying he had to change his strings regularly cos his sweat just made them instant duds... Maybe he changed his diet?

**mwagener** · 1st March 2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davew

just heard? ty said that on satuday, where were you?

At the rate we're going, that was like just a minute ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by davew

i do have one question michael: what did you call the little green headed guy in the iso/drum booth? (gang vox) he owes me a dollar!

That is "Fritz the head", and I think you might be waiting for a long time for that dollar

Killahurts · 1st March 2007, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwagener

Well, we are almost done tracking and I just found out from Ty that he never once changed strings on any of the guitars we used and that the strings on the Elite are at least 7 years old, probably older. How is that for some recording info. The guitar tracks sound amazing and they were played with 7 year old strings

You think Ty's ability as a guitar player had anything to do with the tones we got?

Well, the price of strings has gone up lately.

If I went 7 years without restringing my guitars, I would probably have saved enough money to buy a nice guitar and maybe even an amp.

But how could they possibly stay tunable for that long?

Michael, don't tell me- when Ty plays it, it somehow stays perfectly in tune, but anybody else...

Blast9 · 2nd March 2007, 12:24 AM

Dunno how Ty does it... He tunes waaaay down with .009s

davew · 2nd March 2007, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwagener

At the rate we're going, that was like just a minute ago

aw c'mon...you guys were 'making it happen!'

i constructed my special monitor pads today...i got no odd stares at the garden center! 'ding!' ....ROCK!
now i just need to get working on that diy subkick!

seriously, them dang tones were sounding mighty fine to me!

(i'll pm you blast 9! about the forum)

Analizemodmusic · 3rd March 2007, 03:50 AM

I just registered. I figure maybe if I use the forums like everyone else, I won't have so many questions when I see you, lol. One question for now: how do you decide which of those guitar cabinets to use for each application and which mic configurati

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Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,816	I know where you live __________________ :: my band is called protoangel My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amps: 1973 Hiwatt DR504::Framus Dragon ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Digi 002 + PTLE, Addictive Drums

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mwagener High End Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Music City USA Posts: 2,902	More pictures: Here is the guitar pre setup. On Ogretones we mostly used the TOP BOOST and the PLEXI. This time we are using a lot of different modules, but especially a Dave Friedman modified PLEXI (on top two MW-1 studitools and the new Portico 5016H pre with variable phase, haven't had time to check this one out yet, will do next week, report follows) Cabinets: bottom left 4X12 Celestion G12H Anniversary; middle bottom Randall 4X12 Vintage 30s; middle top ENGL 4X12 Vintage 30s. This one is hooked up to an amazing sounding Voodoo 100W Plexi, which is so loud, I am a bit scared to put a ribbon in front of it, so I'm still looking to find the right mic for it. Mics, from left to right R-121 (Chandler TG-2), R-121 (Chandler TG2), Sennheiser 409 (THE actual one Udo sang Balls To The Wall on) (Chandler Germanium pre), GrooveTubes Convertible (SCA A12) ..and the RM20 with the Royer R-122V/Chandler TG channel, amazing combination: Some of the mic pres I have in to check out Tonelux rack (sounds amazing), JM-130, a great clean but punchy pre, the new GrooveTubes SuPre (report coming up soon) One more picture of dUg's bass setup: And finally dUg's vocal setup. We are using the SCA N72 followed by a Distressor as a vocal chain: This will be our setup for most of the overdubs. I have some super cool gear on the way , will post pictures as soon as it gets here. __________________ Michael Wagener http://www.michaelwagener.com Production workshops at WireWorld Studio

17th February 2007, 11:54 AM	#63
Prickstein Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 438	Michael, is there a specific module that gets used mostly on the RM20? (I just got mine yesterday!) And could you tell us about the Dave Friedman mod on the Plexi? I seem to be hearing his name a lot in regard to module mods for big name players but have no idea who he is. Is it available to Johnny Public like myself? __________________ Every day I learn something new (with a little help from my slutz), and that keeps me going. www.myspace.com/rickhollis

18th February 2007, 05:05 PM	#69
mwagener High End Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Music City USA Posts: 2,902	And they say Christmas is in December... I can't believe how great this stuff sounds, I'm totally stoked. More later after I wipe the drool off my mouth Attached Thumbnails __________________ Michael Wagener http://www.michaelwagener.com Production workshops at WireWorld Studio

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nosebleedaudio Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,510	Michael, Did you check out the JM130 on vocals? Nice pics and details... I need a better camera...mine always come out to dark. Also which settings on the Distressor are you using?

17th February 2007, 05:04 PM	#65
monkeyt Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 494	I love the fact Udo gets a name check!! BALLLLLS TO THE WALLLLLL nice

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ToeJamFootball Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 26	Hello Michael, thanks very much for doing this, I have been looking forward to it since I heard they were back in the studio. Just a question about Dug's rig. Are you able to tell me what settings he is using with the Behringer? I was surprised to see this here, and it would be cool to know if he is using any cab models and such. Oh and tell him to rock the 12er some more Thanks again

23rd February 2007, 06:45 AM	#74
mwagener High End Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Music City USA Posts: 2,902	We are in heavy overdub/vocal mode right now. With 15 songs to finish we are a bit under schedule stress. The only new setups are the MojaveAudio MA200 for everything percussion (via the Germanium pre and EQ and a Distressor), and Fritz via the Tonelux rack (very clean and 3D sounding) for the gang backing vocals. Ty and Jerry's vocals are being recorded with the Soundelux E47 via the GrooveTubes SuPre (very clean pre but with an attitude) and the Chandler Zener compressor, which is an absolute monster, the BigFoot of compressors. Acoustic guitar setup coming soon with more pictures... __________________ Michael Wagener http://www.michaelwagener.com Production workshops at WireWorld Studio

23rd February 2007, 07:33 AM	#75
ToeJamFootball Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 26	Thanks man.

23rd February 2007, 04:57 PM	#76
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1st March 2007, 05:56 AM	#79
mwagener High End Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Music City USA Posts: 2,902	Well, we are almost done tracking and I just found out from Ty that he never once changed strings on any of the guitars we used and that the strings on the Elite are at least 7 years old, probably older. How is that for some recording info. The guitar tracks sound amazing and they were played with 7 year old strings You think Ty's ability as a guitar player had anything to do with the tones we got? __________________ Michael Wagener http://www.michaelwagener.com Production workshops at WireWorld Studio

1st March 2007, 01:12 PM	#81
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,816	Hey welcome davew... Can't get into your forum for some reason! *** Re guitar strings. I distinctly remeber Ty years ago saying he had to change his strings regularly cos his sweat just made them instant duds... Maybe he changed his diet? __________________ :: my band is called protoangel My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amps: 1973 Hiwatt DR504::Framus Dragon ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Digi 002 + PTLE, Addictive Drums

2nd March 2007, 12:24 AM	#84
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,816	Dunno how Ty does it... He tunes waaaay down with .009s __________________ :: my band is called protoangel My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amps: 1973 Hiwatt DR504::Framus Dragon ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Digi 002 + PTLE, Addictive Drums

3rd March 2007, 03:50 AM	#86
Analizemodmusic Gear interested Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7	Hey, Michael! It's Jeremiah I just registered. I figure maybe if I use the forums like everyone else, I won't have so many questions when I see you, lol. One question for now: how do you decide which of those guitar cabinets to use for each application and which mic configurati