Kurzweil KSP8

BrianT · 9th October 2002, 09:53 PM

After owning this thing for about 4 months, I'm continually finding new reasons to be happy about the purchase.

It's got so many unique, but musical presets, I find it worming it's way into many overdubs, especially guitar, as a fundamental component of the sound. After owning a TC 6000 for 2 years, I find myself using the KSP8 as a creative tool far more often.

If you just want some reverb, it's a good box, though there are other good to great verbs to be had. But as an all around creative partner, this is the most impressed I've been with a piece of outboard gear as a creative tool since the original Harmonizer came out 20+ years ago.

Regards,
Brian T

thethrillfactor · 9th October 2002, 11:58 PM

That's exactly how I feel about my Eventide DSP7000. I did order a Kurzweil though, so hopefully I will be able to share in your enthusiasm.

10th October 2002, 12:17 AM

Any ETA on the full channel AES i/o card option yet?

**mwagener** · 10th October 2002, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jules
Any ETA on the full channel AES i/o card option yet?

I'm beta testing as we speak, should be out very soon (this month?)

Geosync · 10th October 2002, 09:01 AM

We also announced a mLAN option for the KSP8 that should be available by the end of the year. We also showed Rumour and Mangler single rack space
little siblings. More to follow. We are all still on the road training our sales managers. mLAN is very exciting. So now the KSP8 is an interface too

etherize · 10th October 2002, 11:51 AM

"So now the KSP8 is an interface too"

All you need to do now is to finish it off and offer a TDM/AUDIO UNIT front end for full control and automation...

Geosync · 10th October 2002, 05:01 PM

As soon as Pro tools moves to mLAN we are there ;-)

BTW OS 10.3 will support mLAN.

C.Lambrechts · 10th October 2002, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Geosync
As soon as Pro tools moves to mLAN we are there ;-)

very cool and wishfull thinking.

samiam · 15th October 2002, 05:57 AM

I have heard that some of the devlopers of the reverb algorithms for the old AKG ADR-68K reverb helped designed the reverbs for the KSP-8. That would explain why the reverbs on this thing sound as good as they do; they are backed by solid experience which rivals anything which Lexicon or TC Electronic can come up with.

- Sam

mixdude · 19th October 2002, 12:17 AM

I just bought a KSP-8. All i can say is WOW!!
This thing sounds incredible. I really love what it does for drums.
I think I will be selling my Lex PCM80 soon.
I really like the way the architecture is set up.
I'm using the lightpipe in, 4 mono to AES stereo out.

Just one question. Which programs are you guys using for vocal reverbs? I have a big session tommorrow and was looking for some pointers.

Thanks,
Steve

Neve Sucks! · 19th October 2002, 01:01 AM

Whats the street price for a KSP8 with the RSP8 remote??

xqtion · 19th October 2002, 03:01 AM

KSP8 $2300 n RSP8 $490

**mwagener** · 19th October 2002, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mixdude
I just bought a KSP-8. All i can say is WOW!!
This thing sounds incredible. I really love what it does for drums.
I think I will be selling my Lex PCM80 soon.
I really like the way the architecture is set up.
I'm using the lightpipe in, 4 mono to AES stereo out.

Just one question. Which programs are you guys using for vocal reverbs? I have a big session tommorrow and was looking for some pointers.

Thanks,
Steve

Try the "Real Plate", Preset # 90, I got great results with that one on vocals. Trim reverb length and high end to taste...

**mwagener** · 19th October 2002, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mixdude
I just bought a KSP-8. All i can say is WOW!!
This thing sounds incredible. I really love what it does for drums.
I think I will be selling my Lex PCM80 soon.
I really like the way the architecture is set up.
I'm using the lightpipe in, 4 mono to AES stereo out.

Just one question. Which programs are you guys using for vocal reverbs? I have a big session tommorrow and was looking for some pointers.

Thanks,
Steve

Try the "Real Plate", Preset # 90, I got great results with that one on vocals. Trim reverb length and high end to taste...

CrazyBeast · 19th October 2002, 08:12 AM

It's pretty hard to go wrong with the verbs in it.

Personally, I find all of the plates very nice. I also quite like #5 the Sun Room (I believe), #83 My Dreamy 481 and Chain #10 Ode to Spector.

I need to spend more time building my own chains and playing with all the presets...

Best of luck.

Quote:

Originally posted by mixdude

Just one question. Which programs are you guys using for vocal reverbs? I have a big session tommorrow and was looking for some pointers.

Thanks,
Steve

Neve Sucks! · 19th October 2002, 11:50 AM

Forgive me for being stupid....But can you use it as four separate fx. Let´s say one reverb stereo in/out, one compressor stereo in/out, one tubeamp mono in/out, one delay stereo in/out. ?? Just like the TC-6000

Geosync · 19th October 2002, 08:30 PM

"can you use it as four separate fx."

Yes you can. You can use it as 8 mono inputs if you have on of the expanion options. Here an overview http://www.geosyncmusic.com/KSP8/sld003.htm

We also just announced mLAN I/O so the KSP8 will also act as a Firewire audio/MIDI interface complete with mLAN ASIO drivers for MAC and
window XP (XP drivers still in beta) It should work with OS 10.3 as well but
detail are not complete there.

Here's some stuff from AES http://members.aol.com/kurzconnection

mixdude · 20th October 2002, 12:04 AM

Thanks for the tips.
My session went great. I cannot believe how great this unit is.
Steve

subspace · 20th October 2002, 12:20 AM

Has anybody done critical comparisons between the KSP8's converters and other outboard units? Seeing as the new mLan option turns it into a recording interface I'd be interested to hear how it sounds for straight conversion.

Renie · 20th October 2002, 12:21 AM

George

Have you got any plans to make something out of this unit into a Pro Tools plug-in?

I listened to the MP3's of the KSP8 and was wowed.

The convenience of it as a PT plug would make me buy it.

It is awesome value for money so I might buy the plug-in and the box so that I could use it on any platform too.

Cheers

Renie

xqtion · 20th October 2002, 01:29 AM

does rumour n mangler cover pretty much everything thats in ksp8 ?

Geosync · 20th October 2002, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xqtion
does rumour n mangler cover pretty much everything thats in ksp8 ?

I haven't seen the complete patch list and algorithms of the 2 units so I can't tell you what is missing from them.

Mike Martin · 20th October 2002, 02:28 AM

Renie,
With the variety of I/O options available, the KSP8 can be integrated easily with almost any DAW. Unlike software plugins the KSP8 would put no load on your CPU. Though we have considered it, I wouldn't expect a plug-in version at this time.

Xqtion,
The combination of both the Rumour and Mangler have most but not all of the stereo effects from the KSP8. Neither have the 5.1 effects, effect chaining capability, depth of editing and realtime control, nor the patented analog I/O of the KSP8. Keep in mind they are under $700.00 retail each. Would a single reverb on the KSP8 sound the same almost identical on the Rumour, yes. However a combination of 2 Rumour's and 2 Manglers would still not match the power and flexibility of the KSP8.

I guess what I'm getting at is that the KSP8 is so much more than an "effects processor". Nothing like this has ever been done before. It is such an arsenal of soundshaping tools along with enough horsepower to combine them in so many different ways that we'll be exploring its possibilities for many years to come. So far we've provided thousands of ingredients, but we've only started writing the recipies.

Speaking of which...I'm working transfering, then uploading alot of new effects chains that were created on our K2600 series keyboards to emulate "vintage" electric piano effects. The combinations of amp simulators, tube simulators, phasers. leslie speakers and other effects are really incredible. Applications certainly wouldn't be limited to electric piano sounds. So we're working on this, a "real" KSP8.com website for tips and tricks, configurations, studios and presets and alot more. Hop onboard, this is going to be a wild ride. Thanks alot for your support everyone!

-Mike Martin
Kurzweil Music Systems

xqtion · 20th October 2002, 03:07 AM

why not a 96k version for the ppl who want to incorporate it digitally in their daw ?

Geosync · 20th October 2002, 03:50 AM

Here are 2 .KSP files. CD Tracks are stereo only and GEOLAST is a combination of mono, stereo and 5.1.. There are more than 100 studios.

ftp://208.56.97.172/pub/KSP8/

I have the files from the David Bowie Heathen Tour but I have not sorted or documented the Piano,Drum and Guitar settings. Once I do, I'll post them.

jon · 20th October 2002, 04:28 AM

Hi George,

Just checked out the website. Looks like a lot of bang for the buck. Who distributes Kurzweil in France, so I can hear one?

Jon

vudoo · 20th October 2002, 06:47 AM

To all KSP8 owner !!!

I'm looking for a GREAT dedicated box to use as my main drum reverb. I'm using PT HD and track drums through Dakings pres How would you guys rate this box for that task ??? Thanks

BrianT · 20th October 2002, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vudoo
To all KSP8 owner !!!

I'm looking for a GREAT dedicated box to use as my main drum reverb. I'm using PT HD and track drums through Dakings pres How would you guys rate this box for that task ??? Thanks

For drums, I'd say you'd need an EMT 250/251 or a Lex 480/960 to beat it. Of course, one man's pleasure.......

It's definitely in the same drum verb league as those 2 units IMO, and beats the TC 5000 and 6000 verbs for drums. Just my opinion, though.

Brian T

vudoo · 20th October 2002, 08:02 AM

Thanks Brian,

Well, that's REALLY great as i dig the Lexicon sound over TC for drum verbs... so if the KSP is in the same league as the Lex480/960 than it's amazing, especially for the price....someone also mentioned that it sells (street price) for around $ 2100...where have you seen this price ?? Thanks again.

Geosync · 20th October 2002, 05:16 PM

Jon

Here is the distributor for France

France

Guillard Musiques
Z.A.C. de Folliouses Les Echets
01706 Miribel Cedex
France
(+33) 4-72-26-27-00
(+33) 4-72-26-27-01 fax
www.guillard-musiques.com
alex.kurzweil@free.fr

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10th October 2002, 05:01 PM	#7
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	As soon as Pro tools moves to mLAN we are there ;-) BTW OS 10.3 will support mLAN. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

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Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	"can you use it as four separate fx." Yes you can. You can use it as 8 mono inputs if you have on of the expanion options. Here an overview http://www.geosyncmusic.com/KSP8/sld003.htm We also just announced mLAN I/O so the KSP8 will also act as a Firewire audio/MIDI interface complete with mLAN ASIO drivers for MAC and window XP (XP drivers still in beta) It should work with OS 10.3 as well but detail are not complete there. Here's some stuff from AES http://members.aol.com/kurzconnection __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

20th October 2002, 12:04 AM	#18
mixdude Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 9	Thanks for the tips. My session went great. I cannot believe how great this unit is. Steve __________________ www.dub1sound.com

9th October 2002, 09:53 PM	#1
BrianT Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,666	Kurzweil KSP8 After owning this thing for about 4 months, I'm continually finding new reasons to be happy about the purchase. It's got so many unique, but musical presets, I find it worming it's way into many overdubs, especially guitar, as a fundamental component of the sound. After owning a TC 6000 for 2 years, I find myself using the KSP8 as a creative tool far more often. If you just want some reverb, it's a good box, though there are other good to great verbs to be had. But as an all around creative partner, this is the most impressed I've been with a piece of outboard gear as a creative tool since the original Harmonizer came out 20+ years ago. Regards, Brian T

9th October 2002, 11:58 PM	#2
thethrillfactor Gear Guru Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 11,229	That's exactly how I feel about my Eventide DSP7000. I did order a Kurzweil though, so hopefully I will be able to share in your enthusiasm.

10th October 2002, 12:17 AM	#3
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	Any ETA on the full channel AES i/o card option yet?

10th October 2002, 09:01 AM	#5
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	We also announced a mLAN option for the KSP8 that should be available by the end of the year. We also showed Rumour and Mangler single rack space little siblings. More to follow. We are all still on the road training our sales managers. mLAN is very exciting. So now the KSP8 is an interface too __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

10th October 2002, 11:51 AM	#6
etherize Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 243	"So now the KSP8 is an interface too" All you need to do now is to finish it off and offer a TDM/AUDIO UNIT front end for full control and automation...

19th October 2002, 12:17 AM	#10
mixdude Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 9	I just bought a KSP-8. All i can say is WOW!! This thing sounds incredible. I really love what it does for drums. I think I will be selling my Lex PCM80 soon. I really like the way the architecture is set up. I'm using the lightpipe in, 4 mono to AES stereo out. Just one question. Which programs are you guys using for vocal reverbs? I have a big session tommorrow and was looking for some pointers. Thanks, Steve __________________ www.dub1sound.com

19th October 2002, 01:01 AM	#11
Neve Sucks! Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 277	Whats the street price for a KSP8 with the RSP8 remote??

19th October 2002, 03:01 AM	#12
xqtion Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles , USA Posts: 138	KSP8 $2300 n RSP8 $490

19th October 2002, 11:50 AM	#16
Neve Sucks! Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 277	Forgive me for being stupid....But can you use it as four separate fx. Let´s say one reverb stereo in/out, one compressor stereo in/out, one tubeamp mono in/out, one delay stereo in/out. ?? Just like the TC-6000

20th October 2002, 12:20 AM	#19
subspace Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Too sun Posts: 556	Has anybody done critical comparisons between the KSP8's converters and other outboard units? Seeing as the new mLan option turns it into a recording interface I'd be interested to hear how it sounds for straight conversion. __________________ "If you never did, you should. These things are fun and fun is good."

20th October 2002, 12:21 AM	#20
Renie Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 1,785	George Have you got any plans to make something out of this unit into a Pro Tools plug-in? I listened to the MP3's of the KSP8 and was wowed. The convenience of it as a PT plug would make me buy it. It is awesome value for money so I might buy the plug-in and the box so that I could use it on any platform too. Cheers Renie __________________ www.christisloving.com

20th October 2002, 01:29 AM	#21
xqtion Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles , USA Posts: 138	does rumour n mangler cover pretty much everything thats in ksp8 ?

20th October 2002, 02:28 AM	#23
Mike Martin Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 49	Renie, With the variety of I/O options available, the KSP8 can be integrated easily with almost any DAW. Unlike software plugins the KSP8 would put no load on your CPU. Though we have considered it, I wouldn't expect a plug-in version at this time. Xqtion, The combination of both the Rumour and Mangler have most but not all of the stereo effects from the KSP8. Neither have the 5.1 effects, effect chaining capability, depth of editing and realtime control, nor the patented analog I/O of the KSP8. Keep in mind they are under $700.00 retail each. Would a single reverb on the KSP8 sound the same almost identical on the Rumour, yes. However a combination of 2 Rumour's and 2 Manglers would still not match the power and flexibility of the KSP8. I guess what I'm getting at is that the KSP8 is so much more than an "effects processor". Nothing like this has ever been done before. It is such an arsenal of soundshaping tools along with enough horsepower to combine them in so many different ways that we'll be exploring its possibilities for many years to come. So far we've provided thousands of ingredients, but we've only started writing the recipies. Speaking of which...I'm working transfering, then uploading alot of new effects chains that were created on our K2600 series keyboards to emulate "vintage" electric piano effects. The combinations of amp simulators, tube simulators, phasers. leslie speakers and other effects are really incredible. Applications certainly wouldn't be limited to electric piano sounds. So we're working on this, a "real" KSP8.com website for tips and tricks, configurations, studios and presets and alot more. Hop onboard, this is going to be a wild ride. Thanks alot for your support everyone! -Mike Martin Kurzweil Music Systems

20th October 2002, 03:07 AM	#24
xqtion Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles , USA Posts: 138	why not a 96k version for the ppl who want to incorporate it digitally in their daw ?

20th October 2002, 03:50 AM	#25
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	Here are 2 .KSP files. CD Tracks are stereo only and GEOLAST is a combination of mono, stereo and 5.1.. There are more than 100 studios. ftp://208.56.97.172/pub/KSP8/ I have the files from the David Bowie Heathen Tour but I have not sorted or documented the Piano,Drum and Guitar settings. Once I do, I'll post them. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

20th October 2002, 04:28 AM	#26
jon Capitol Studios Paris Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paris, France Posts: 1,315	Hi George, Just checked out the website. Looks like a lot of bang for the buck. Who distributes Kurzweil in France, so I can hear one? Jon

20th October 2002, 06:47 AM	#27
vudoo Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 458	To all KSP8 owner !!! I'm looking for a GREAT dedicated box to use as my main drum reverb. I'm using PT HD and track drums through Dakings pres How would you guys rate this box for that task ??? Thanks

20th October 2002, 08:02 AM	#29
vudoo Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 458	Thanks Brian, Well, that's REALLY great as i dig the Lexicon sound over TC for drum verbs... so if the KSP is in the same league as the Lex480/960 than it's amazing, especially for the price....someone also mentioned that it sells (street price) for around $ 2100...where have you seen this price ?? Thanks again.

20th October 2002, 05:16 PM	#30
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	Jon Here is the distributor for France France Guillard Musiques Z.A.C. de Folliouses Les Echets 01706 Miribel Cedex France (+33) 4-72-26-27-00 (+33) 4-72-26-27-01 fax www.guillard-musiques.com alex.kurzweil@free.fr __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

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