Telefunken AK47 or Peluso 47LE with Aurora GTQ?

dashamu · 24th January 2007, 05:42 AM

hi mic pre slutskys,

After reading all these Great River, Aurora, Phoenix, Millennia threads , I've decided to try out the Aurora GTQ2. All things being subjectively objective, having some EQ options on the Aurora is a big plus for me. Especially when I break out my Royer 121.

I've narrowed down my mic choice to either the Peluso 22 47LE or the Telefunken AK47. I record mostly acoustic singer songwriters , small jazz groups, bluegrass, alt country...and voice overs for radio commercials.
Anybody using these mics with the Aurora?

thanks for your ears

**TonyBelmont** · 1st February 2007, 08:08 PM

I did some vocals last night for the remix to a current Top 20 song on the billboard charts in the U.S... I used my 47 LE and GTQ preamp, and his vocals sounded incredible.

The other vocals were tracked at a big studio with a C800G & 1073, and everyone agreed that these sounded better....

Fletcher · 1st February 2007, 08:46 PM

Gee... I cut some vocals last night using an AK-47 into a Sebatron pre-amp and it was the best vocal sound I had gotten on the singer in the 15 or so years we've been working together... I guess those kind of things can be subjective but everyone in the room thought it was the best vocal sound we'd ever gotten on the guy [including major label releases].

**TonyBelmont** · 1st February 2007, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletcher

Gee... I cut some vocals last night using an AK-47 into a Sebatron pre-amp and it was the best vocal sound I had gotten on the singer in the 15 or so years we've been working together... I guess those kind of things can be subjective but everyone in the room thought it was the best vocal sound we'd ever gotten on the guy [including major label releases].

That's cool...

I guess it all is pretty subjective.

The song I did last night was a remix to the one of the biggest hip hop songs on the radio right now. Hopefully they'll let me post a link to it at some point..

C.Lambrechts · 1st February 2007, 09:21 PM

subjective ........ yes ..........

Peluso / Nuemann / Telefunken / AKG / whoever makes mics ....

Maybe the biggest eyeopener for myself was ... hmmm ... can't remember but it must be closer to 15 years ago then 10 years ago now ...

female vocal recording session for a major release ... usual suspects lined up blah blah .... long story short ... the entire album was cut with a SM 58 for the lead vocal and the pre was a Art MP Pro or something like that.

And oh yes ... there was a choice of avalon and manley and neve and ssl 4k pre's and the studio had a variety of vintage and modern high end mic's and all that.

The thing is more by 'accident' then anything else we wanted to have a 'bad' signal chain to compare to the other ones we had set up. And that's how the 58 / art pro thingy combo came up.

From that point on my opinion about 2 things changed. There is NO mic that works for everything and there is NO pre that works for everything. There is only a combination that works best for a particular situation.

And wether that's the peluso or the telefunken or whartever other mic that anyone here wants to make you believe is the best mic out there ....

on all of them untill you actually tried it for yourself on whatever it is you want to use it on.

Now as for my opinion with the music choices you mention .... small jazz group / acoustic .... I hope you didn't forget to at least try a ribbon mic for some of those smoothy vocals right ?

Fletcher · 1st February 2007, 10:39 PM

Here's an after session rough mix of the vocal... its the "Gimme a Ride To Heaven" song [first one when you click on the page] http://myspace.com/mercenaryaudio... the song ain't done, I think there is going to be some backing vocals and either an additional solo or the solo section will end up shorter or something like that.

Chris is spot on BTW... with the possible exception of a Shure SM-7b there are damn few microphones that are usually really good in every application... though some pres are indeed far more versatile than one might think... and finally, as always, YMMV.

Peace.

**TonyBelmont** · 1st February 2007, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletcher

Here's an after session rough mix of the vocal... its the "Gimme a Ride To Heaven" song [first one when you click on the page] http://myspace.com/mercenaryaudio... the song ain't done, I think there is going to be some backing vocals and either an additional solo or the solo section will end up shorter or something like that.

Chris is spot on BTW... with the possible exception of a Shure SM-7b there are damn few microphones that are usually really good in every application... though some pres are indeed far more versatile than one might think... and finally, as always, YMMV.

Peace.

Those vocals don't sound bad, but myspace does some funny stuff to audio. I should call Toni and have him send me an AK47 to check it out, so I can compare it to the Peluso I have over here. I just don't have enough experience with the AK47 to know it's strong points.

With that said, I was just really happy with the way the vocals I recorded last night came out... Especially in comparison to the vocals that were tracked at the big studio. It was just nice to know that my vocal recordings were considered better by these people & there was very minimal processing. A 2 db hi shelf at 10 or 12k and that was it.

And yes, Chris is right... you just have to hear these things in your own studio to know if it fits you.

Fletcher · 2nd February 2007, 12:06 AM

Why don't you bring the Peluso up and we can have an excuse to do lunch again?

RKrizman · 2nd February 2007, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Those vocals don't sound bad, but myspace does some funny stuff to audio.

Sounds better if you download it. Still, kinda papery.

-R

dashamu · 2nd February 2007, 01:13 AM

Wow. This is great. Sound clips. Lunch with Fletcher and Tony. Great vocal sessions with a Peluso and an AK47...it's gonna be an easy choice because I don't think I can lose with either of these mics.
BTW, I've been using the Royer 121 on a lot of stuff and it works really well in a surprising number of situations. Today, I set up a couple of C42s on an acoustic guitar. I wanted to record the male singer at the same time. The voice leakage into the C42s was quite present so I set up the 121 on the vocal and voila..instant warmth. A pinch of 10K boost and a dollop of low cut and the whole picture came into focus. And hardly any guitars leaking into the ribbon.
It was the singer, the guitar, the room, the mic placement and the ring around the moon. Tomorrow, the same set-up with a different artist might not work as well...and I'll try something else.

So, yes, the ribbon is great. And I'd still love to hear what you guys think when you get the 2247LE and the AK47 in the same room at the same time with the same ears.

Thanks again

C.Lambrechts · 2nd February 2007, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashamu

So, yes, the ribbon is great.

They definitely have to suit the song / singer / arrangement and all that but once that stuff is there ....

Ribbons imho allow for more extreme 'eq abuse' then condensors or dynamic mics. Especially in the mid high and high freq's you can get really abusive with them and still keep things smooth where most condensors would make your ears bleed ...

**TonyBelmont** · 2nd February 2007, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletcher

Why don't you bring the Peluso up and we can have an excuse to do lunch again?

Sounds like a plan... hopefully sometime next week.

insomnio · 2nd February 2007, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C.Lambrechts

From that point on my opinion about 2 things changed. There is NO mic that works for everything and there is NO pre that works for everything. There is only a combination that works best for a particular situation.

Nice story, and good point.

david_fowler · 6th February 2007, 09:34 AM

Telefunken AK47 is one of my favourites for vocals. The mic rocks.

Reag1502 · 6th February 2007, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletcher

Here's an after session rough mix of the vocal... its the "Gimme a Ride To Heaven" song [first one when you click on the page] http://myspace.com/mercenaryaudio... the song ain't done, I think there is going to be some backing vocals and either an additional solo or the solo section will end up shorter or something like that.

Chris is spot on BTW... with the possible exception of a Shure SM-7b there are damn few microphones that are usually really good in every application... though some pres are indeed far more versatile than one might think... and finally, as always, YMMV.

Peace.

Sounds good! Let me ask you a question? Do you find that the mic clips when singing louder? Either I'm doing the wrong settings, or this is the most sensitive microphone on the planet???

Fletcher · 6th February 2007, 09:34 PM

I think you're probably doing something wrong in your chain somewhere... I couldn't get the AK-47 to crap out even when I put it in front of the hole on a kik drum with a hard hitter... it handles vocal duties without breaking a sweat [even with LOUD singers].

Telefunken USA · 7th February 2007, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletcher

I think you're probably doing something wrong in your chain somewhere...

That's what I was thinking too...

jebjerome · 7th February 2007, 03:27 AM

Quote:

I cut some vocals last night using an AK-47 into a Sebatron pre-amp

Which Sebatron pre? Just curious.

Fletcher · 7th February 2007, 12:43 PM

The 2000 I think its called. Cream colored, 2 meters that are backlit green.

Lefrançais · 16th February 2007, 10:23 AM

I had my first voice recording session yesterday using 2247LE mic with GTQ-2 and 1176LN.
It sounds great.To me, better than my U87ai. I'm impressed.

oceantracks · 16th February 2007, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telefunken USA

That's what I was thinking too...

I don't see anything but the U47 listed on the Tele site....whats the AK47?

E Orjatsalo · 16th February 2007, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oceantracks

I don't see anything but the U47 listed on the Tele site....whats the AK47?

http://www.telefunkenusa.com/product...em=14&cat=mics

You can find it from the menu: products -> microphones -> R-F-T

I'm also pondering should I buy a Peluso P12 or Telefunken AK-47... I mostly record heavy metal and as usual heavy metal mixes tend to have a lot going on, and therefore I need a mic that make vocal cut through the mix. I've narrowed my choices to those two microphones, but it's a though call.

Telefunken USA · 16th February 2007, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E Orjatsalo

http://www.telefunkenusa.com/product...em=14&cat=mics

You can find it from the menu: products -> microphones -> R-F-T

Hey, looks like you beat me to it.

I appreciate it.

Telefunken USA · 16th February 2007, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E Orjatsalo

I'm also pondering should I buy a Peluso P12 or Telefunken AK-47... I mostly record heavy metal and as usual heavy metal mixes tend to have a lot going on, and therefore I need a mic that make vocal cut through the mix. I've narrowed my choices to those two microphones, but it's a though call.

Both are very different mics sonically. The AK-47 is a darker sounding mic than the P12.

E Orjatsalo · 17th February 2007, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telefunken USA

Both are very different mics sonically. The AK-47 is a darker sounding mic than the P12.

And that is the main problem with my decision

, it is hard to decide which sonic character I should get first. Since I have really bad luck, and 1/4 of vocalists I record tend to have problems with sibilance, I'm thinking maybe that darker would be better for me...

Sorry to have hijacked the thread, but...

Do you have any dealers/distributors in Europe?

8068 · 17th February 2007, 05:58 PM

Why are the higher end Telefunken microphones so expensive even a wooden box is $250? I see that all marketing points are in place notable engineers supporting the quality and sound making sure the microphone is just like the past but why the higher prices? I see you mentioned “built in the USA” but where are the parts made? The present technology and manufacturing create a cheaper environment for new products especially overseas manufacturing so why huge prices. Peluso has divulge that his capsules are made in China where does Telefunken manufacturer their capsules and parts and is there a huge difference between Peluso and Telefunken other than name recognition?

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24th January 2007, 05:42 AM	#1
dashamu Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 154	Telefunken AK47 or Peluso 47LE with Aurora GTQ? hi mic pre slutskys, After reading all these Great River, Aurora, Phoenix, Millennia threads , I've decided to try out the Aurora GTQ2. All things being subjectively objective, having some EQ options on the Aurora is a big plus for me. Especially when I break out my Royer 121. I've narrowed down my mic choice to either the Peluso 22 47LE or the Telefunken AK47. I record mostly acoustic singer songwriters , small jazz groups, bluegrass, alt country...and voice overs for radio commercials. Anybody using these mics with the Aurora? thanks for your ears

1st February 2007, 08:08 PM	#2
TonyBelmont Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boston,MA Providence,RI Posts: 10,133	I did some vocals last night for the remix to a current Top 20 song on the billboard charts in the U.S... I used my 47 LE and GTQ preamp, and his vocals sounded incredible. The other vocals were tracked at a big studio with a C800G & 1073, and everyone agreed that these sounded better.... __________________ Tony Belmont We Sell Gear! Need plugins? Check out PluginDiscounts.com

1st February 2007, 08:46 PM	#3
Fletcher member no 666 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Foxboro, MA USA Posts: 5,783	Gee... I cut some vocals last night using an AK-47 into a Sebatron pre-amp and it was the best vocal sound I had gotten on the singer in the 15 or so years we've been working together... I guess those kind of things can be subjective but everyone in the room thought it was the best vocal sound we'd ever gotten on the guy [including major label releases]. __________________ Fletcher If you have a question please email me at Fletcher@mercenary.com instead of using the PM system... I very rarely check that system and it could take a while to get a response. I can also be found at either address below: R/E/P the Recording Engineer and Producer forums Mercenary Audio mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33 We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light

1st February 2007, 09:21 PM	#5
C.Lambrechts Lives for gear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ans (Liege) Belgium Posts: 3,214	subjective ........ yes .......... Peluso / Nuemann / Telefunken / AKG / whoever makes mics .... Maybe the biggest eyeopener for myself was ... hmmm ... can't remember but it must be closer to 15 years ago then 10 years ago now ... female vocal recording session for a major release ... usual suspects lined up blah blah .... long story short ... the entire album was cut with a SM 58 for the lead vocal and the pre was a Art MP Pro or something like that. And oh yes ... there was a choice of avalon and manley and neve and ssl 4k pre's and the studio had a variety of vintage and modern high end mic's and all that. The thing is more by 'accident' then anything else we wanted to have a 'bad' signal chain to compare to the other ones we had set up. And that's how the 58 / art pro thingy combo came up. From that point on my opinion about 2 things changed. There is NO mic that works for everything and there is NO pre that works for everything. There is only a combination that works best for a particular situation. And wether that's the peluso or the telefunken or whartever other mic that anyone here wants to make you believe is the best mic out there .... on all of them untill you actually tried it for yourself on whatever it is you want to use it on. Now as for my opinion with the music choices you mention .... small jazz group / acoustic .... I hope you didn't forget to at least try a ribbon mic for some of those smoothy vocals right ? __________________ Chris Lambrechts MiLaR Event ITB or OTB ... Who cares .... it's all about MIXING.

1st February 2007, 10:39 PM	#6
Fletcher member no 666 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Foxboro, MA USA Posts: 5,783	Here's an after session rough mix of the vocal... its the "Gimme a Ride To Heaven" song [first one when you click on the page] http://myspace.com/mercenaryaudio... the song ain't done, I think there is going to be some backing vocals and either an additional solo or the solo section will end up shorter or something like that. Chris is spot on BTW... with the possible exception of a Shure SM-7b there are damn few microphones that are usually really good in every application... though some pres are indeed far more versatile than one might think... and finally, as always, YMMV. Peace. __________________ Fletcher If you have a question please email me at Fletcher@mercenary.com instead of using the PM system... I very rarely check that system and it could take a while to get a response. I can also be found at either address below: R/E/P the Recording Engineer and Producer forums Mercenary Audio mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33 We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light

2nd February 2007, 12:06 AM	#8
Fletcher member no 666 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Foxboro, MA USA Posts: 5,783	Why don't you bring the Peluso up and we can have an excuse to do lunch again? __________________ Fletcher If you have a question please email me at Fletcher@mercenary.com instead of using the PM system... I very rarely check that system and it could take a while to get a response. I can also be found at either address below: R/E/P the Recording Engineer and Producer forums Mercenary Audio mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33 We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light

2nd February 2007, 01:13 AM	#10
dashamu Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 154	Wow. This is great. Sound clips. Lunch with Fletcher and Tony. Great vocal sessions with a Peluso and an AK47...it's gonna be an easy choice because I don't think I can lose with either of these mics. BTW, I've been using the Royer 121 on a lot of stuff and it works really well in a surprising number of situations. Today, I set up a couple of C42s on an acoustic guitar. I wanted to record the male singer at the same time. The voice leakage into the C42s was quite present so I set up the 121 on the vocal and voila..instant warmth. A pinch of 10K boost and a dollop of low cut and the whole picture came into focus. And hardly any guitars leaking into the ribbon. It was the singer, the guitar, the room, the mic placement and the ring around the moon. Tomorrow, the same set-up with a different artist might not work as well...and I'll try something else. So, yes, the ribbon is great. And I'd still love to hear what you guys think when you get the 2247LE and the AK47 in the same room at the same time with the same ears. Thanks again

6th February 2007, 09:34 AM	#14
david_fowler Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 96	Telefunken AK47 is one of my favourites for vocals. The mic rocks.

6th February 2007, 09:34 PM	#16
Fletcher member no 666 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Foxboro, MA USA Posts: 5,783	I think you're probably doing something wrong in your chain somewhere... I couldn't get the AK-47 to crap out even when I put it in front of the hole on a kik drum with a hard hitter... it handles vocal duties without breaking a sweat [even with LOUD singers]. __________________ Fletcher If you have a question please email me at Fletcher@mercenary.com instead of using the PM system... I very rarely check that system and it could take a while to get a response. I can also be found at either address below: R/E/P the Recording Engineer and Producer forums Mercenary Audio mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33 We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light

7th February 2007, 12:43 PM	#19
Fletcher member no 666 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Foxboro, MA USA Posts: 5,783	The 2000 I think its called. Cream colored, 2 meters that are backlit green. __________________ Fletcher If you have a question please email me at Fletcher@mercenary.com instead of using the PM system... I very rarely check that system and it could take a while to get a response. I can also be found at either address below: R/E/P the Recording Engineer and Producer forums Mercenary Audio mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33 We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light

16th February 2007, 10:23 AM	#20
Lefrançais Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 127	I had my first voice recording session yesterday using 2247LE mic with GTQ-2 and 1176LN. It sounds great.To me, better than my U87ai. I'm impressed. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/deesoul

17th February 2007, 05:58 PM	#26
8068 Gear nut Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 78	Telefunken Why are the higher end Telefunken microphones so expensive even a wooden box is $250? I see that all marketing points are in place notable engineers supporting the quality and sound making sure the microphone is just like the past but why the higher prices? I see you mentioned “built in the USA” but where are the parts made? The present technology and manufacturing create a cheaper environment for new products especially overseas manufacturing so why huge prices. Peluso has divulge that his capsules are made in China where does Telefunken manufacturer their capsules and parts and is there a huge difference between Peluso and Telefunken other than name recognition?

17th February 2007, 06:22 PM	#27
doubledecker Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 385