Hand crafted labs products

[C/G]

Originally Posted by darkchild

AMAZING!
I just ordered one Faust more

I would love to hear a sample.

Please.

[worm]

In case you didn't know they have samples on their site.

http://www.papa-movie.com/html/hand_crafted.html

[flute player]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

Cool! how many inputs do u have in that box? can you explain the feautures and philosophy of that particular box??

There are 12 inputs so you can make 6 stereo channels.
In the first 6 channels you can make the choice to set them mono or left / right.
The philosophy of summing mixers in general is that they make the mix more homogenous.
I am goining to use it in combination with my MOTU HD192 unit.
So for example a DAW output is going through any effect and goes into the summing.
The signal is then leaded back to the DAW to be recorded on an audio track.
But because Albert has made two extra outputs I will be able to use these for monitoring the mix or send the mix through a mastering section befor recording.
The possebllities are to many but te reslt is a better sounding mix.

Paul

[azzzy]

I just wanted to add that I talked with Albert (through e-mail) and this summing mixer can have up to 18 input channels - depending on your needs. Also you can have pan and volume for each channel, although that, of course, will cost more.

[AMIEL]

I really do not believe on the "Summing theory" but yes that all the inputs that go thru the transformer will get that "analog color that we like"
Is not a summing problem..is a color!!
So I guess the box you have may be interesting to me!

Any samples to compare with that box? ITB and thru the box?

[HandCrafted Lab]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

I really do not believe on the "Summing theory"

Amiel, summing theory is very simple - digital engine can not mix up tracks without bit decreasing of each track. We have 24bit on output, and 10-20 etc tracks from host with same resolution also. And it`s impossible perform - mixing up without bit manipulation.... I.e - 16 tracks x 24 bits = 384 bit DAC signal resolution is necessary,if we describe mixing process very simply now. Each new track in mix will decrease bit of sum signal on 1-2 bit theoretically. Dithering in other word. And from 16 tracks we can not receive real 24 bit signal, 14-18 bit max,with diverse interpolation and tricks. Ask any multimedia programmer - how mix up 16x24 bit digital signals into 1 digital stereo signal/stream. Due to bits degradation only.

And though.... we have DA and AD conversion in such case,when applying analog mixing. But it`s very funny,that such sum has sounding,which blow out digital mix ,which was performed inside of digital environment with 1 DA conversion.

but yes that all the inputs that go thru the transformer will get that "analog color that we like

Ye, of course, trafo presented,with trafo "oiliness", but not for each input(it`s another story). We found more elegant solution. However, with galvanic disconnection from DAW,and with high headroom on the Main Output - up to +28-30dBu. Signal path is pure tube,naturally.

Is not a summing problem..is a color!!"

Of course. But incorrect digital mixing,with decreasing of signal bits is same problem, and color is depending from it also

So I guess the box you have may be interesting to me! "

Rear panel -

[C/G]

Originally Posted by worm

In case you didn't know they have samples on their site.

http://www.papa-movie.com/html/hand_crafted.html

Yes I know. It is like getting a review of a Mustang from Ford itself, if you know what I mean.

The Faust samples on the HCL site did sound very nice, but I would like to hear some made by others if at all possible.


That summing mixer looks fabulous. Price?

[flute player]

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Ahaaaa do I recocnice "Summy" in this picture

greetzzzzzz Paul

[Gbatokai]

Originally Posted by HandCrafted Lab

I.e - 16 tracks x 24 bits = 384 bit

Surely you mean 28 bits? Your point remains, though.

[HandCrafted Lab]

Ye, how 384 bit DAC,how and 32-64 bit DAC - it`s theory and arithmetic on calculator, of course. But signal dithering due to work of digital engine,which make summing 0 and 1 for stereocouple (composed from many tracks with same 24bit tracks before), and it can not be higher than some sum of 1 and 0 (digital zero) is reality.

[copiapoa]

Very strange design as the box with trash.http://gearslutz.com/board/images/sm...froga.gifsound also as well as looks.http://gearslutz.com/board/images/smilies/nono.gif

[AMIEL]

samples of the summing box???????????

[HandCrafted Lab]

Originally Posted by copiapoa

Very strange design as the box with trash.

oh, my God, again,one more, brand new.... Admire it.... Number of Posts -1! He-he, lol,

bad start for newest GS member

Specially for copiapoa

READ "A message from this forums moderators - please read first! "

and riddle for him also. What is it? May be a transformer for welding?


and ye,specially for copiapoa - We do not build beautiful devices, and we build ugly specially. Thus we stimulate selling beautiful devices of other brands

[copiapoa]

All begin.bad design-bad sound.It's my belief.

[HandCrafted Lab]

Originally Posted by copiapoa

All begin.bad design-bad sound.It's my belief.

Try to tell it to owners of our stuff. I hope you possess a high professional level, because they possess

Design define sounding, ye..... it`s aught new . Though, biggest adv budget are intended for it. I again would like will apologize for comparison, and again to recollect story about ugly violins of Stradivari which I saw once, and fine violins from a fine boutique on the corner,which I see every day lol:

So...The new generation chooses Pepsi

What your answer for this item above? What is it?

On your belief it should sound very strange, evidently?

And please comment to all here your age,credits and your current setup.

[copiapoa]

oh, my God, again,one more, brand new.... Admire it.... Number of Posts -1! He-he, lol,

Now two.

And please comment to all here your age,credits and your current setup.

The sound becomes better???!!!!
Mr.flute player,where a sound???????

[mr.gefell]

walter dies 2 years ago

[Koed]

Hey Albert don't fall for the copiapoa troll lure.
Trolls just want to be fed.

[HandCrafted Lab]

Originally Posted by copiapoa

Now two.

No comments

The sound becomes better???!!!!

Ye. Sound become better. Sigh (what you mean under word "better"? better, than low-end audio card connected to 400$ monitors? or better,than digital system in 1mln$? and what type of music?

I would not like to begin here a detailed explanation why analog summing sounds differently, than digital. It greatest theme, and we are overtasked now very much.
The main thing which seldom mention - dithering of all your tracks, when your digital engine perform mixdown. It ` s impossible to perform digital mixdown of tracks without decreasing of bits these tracks. Your tracks has 14-18 bits in result due to digital zero which can not be overloaded by digital sum of all your tracks. It can be executed how dithering of all these 16 tracks intended for digital mixdown.

Other. You can purchase coolest guitar head and custom shop guitar. Or Steinway grand piano and picked up it by coolest mic. But.... it`s not guaranty,that your playing become perfect instantly due to it and you win Grammy this year. Because for it is necessary a hands,ears and a huge quantity of experiense.
We can invite mr. S Vai, mr. J.Satrianu and young guitar player for blind test on same guitar. And I have a sureness,that in one case the sounding will bad,on same guitar. But if we perform this blind test again with these guitar players and with crappy guitar, we get sounding(and playing) in 2 cases which will be very good. Guess, in what case? Correctly.

Resume. Such type of system are not intended for beginners. You will expend your budget vainly, due to absence of the experience firstly. It demand hi-end DA and AD convertors, and other not cheap stuff,secondly. Results will be different from Pro Tools, Apogee, Prism Sound,etc., from low-end system up to 1K$ a fortiori. Therefore such A/B tests not has any sense. Diverse AD/DA, engineers,DAWs,monitors and tastes.You can not hear difference if: your DAW,AD/DA,monitors,room not has enough resolution and quality. As and ears. Therefore, analog summing setup intended for users with big experiense,which able control all this, with good understanding of processes in signal chains and AD/DA conversion.

Mr.flute player,where a sound???????

I think, Paul should receive device in start of week, and during several days he will transfer mix via summator. But what Paul should say? Good,perfect or bad. Personally for me it would be not enough,if I am investigating question in earnest about analog summing for my studio. But Paul has a good prof level, and we can have conversation with him how with professional.
We have ProTools and analog tape machine MTR90,and Adam monitors,Paul has MOTU192 now, and results will be different. If connect summator to notebook sound card with USB a fortiori. You can not feel a difference. SUCH simple criteria as well, perfectly,badly or better,than..... or simple A/B tests not enough in such most complicated question. Besides it`s closely connected with the main thing in this business - music.

[flute player]

I think, Paul should receive device in start of week, and during several days he will transfer mix via summator. But what Paul should say? Good,perfect or bad. Personally for me it would be not enough,if I am investigating question in earnest about analog summing for my studio. But Paul has a good prof level, and we can have conversation with him how with professional.
We have ProTools and analog tape machine MTR90,and Adam monitors,Paul has MOTU192 now, and results will be different. If connect summator to notebook sound card with USB a fortiori. You can not feel a difference. SUCH simple criteria as well, perfectly,badly or better,than..... or simple A/B tests not enough in such most complicated question. Besides it`s closely connected with the main thing in this business - music. [/quote]

It's quit interesting how someone can judge for what level I make music.
The dude doesn't know I have made three albums yet.
And that the last album had some good critics from the HCL team that doesn't only make the gear but have a studio too.
So mr copa cabana I am wondering on what level you are with your music. ( woodblock perhaps ??? )
Let's give all of our HCL members an impressive show.
And don't get pissed off if you don't get the applause you're waiting for.

I was a triathleet for almost 15 years on national level and after running the whole distance for three times I still had respect for the once that were half way.
So mr copa cabana must keep the words from Albert in mind that everybody has it's owm opinion what level is high or low.
It certainly depends on the material and you have respect for a Colnago but also for a Cannondale if you have the brains to understand this.

And now go back to were this thread was made for.

Paul

[Vertigo2006]

Finally I made some sessions with my Faust and Affinity. Here You can hear the vocals recorded with minimal compress and little bit reverd added. No EQ at all.
The song is not mixed, but as You can hear, the vocal sound is beautiful.
Thank You HCL and Albert, good work!

The sample is here:
http://www.studioinit.fi/faust/Faust_sample.mp3

Mats Takila
Finland

[AMIEL]

sound nice! can you please post the vocal track only????? without effx?
By the way i like the arragements..are cool.

[AMIEL]

Hi Paul!! please do you think ASAP as you have it can you post a mix with and without the summator?

[Vertigo2006]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

sound nice! can you please post the vocal track only????? without effx?
By the way i like the arragements..are cool.

Thanks! I´ll do that next week.

[flute player]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

Hi Paul!! please do you think ASAP as you have it can you post a mix with and without the summator?

Yes of course, if you like flute music ( ha ha )

[AMIEL]

Maybe!! LOL ....I just hope to like it better with the summator...don't you think?