Anyone had a chance to crank these up?
Three new pedals from Bogner.
Ecstasy amp RED channel pedal
Ecstasy amp BLUE channel pedal
Ubershall full on gain dist
All run $300 been hearing some decent demos of them, seems like I could make use of them for my tones. Liked that Blue one quite a bit, killer overdrive.
Bogner says these are different tech, no diode or JFET distortion, beyond my understanding, must be magic.
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I'd like to hear some opinions as well. Could be a great affordable way to get a Bogner sound.
Seriously, gear heads, someone must have seen these or test driven them, give us the skinny when you do.
There are some vids on youtube which are what they are sometimes useful sometimes not. The Bogner ones seem to present a pretty good sound for the pedals. You know such things tend to lean to the gain side of things and not so much the deeper side of tone but all things considered I dig the potential of these new pedals. The Blue was my fav not having it of course to see how it feels and the Red seemed to be the better and the Ubershall black one was just a flat out gain monster while the other two seem to have features to reduce the gain and go for more tones more amp like and so mcuh not like our std overdrive and dist pedal circuits. . A lot of option switches on each which I just love for versatility. Big money and I also want that Tone Monk Phoenix overdrive which is also $300 but the Klon drive of choice.
Money, money, money, and so far none of my usual vendors have these I can make payments on them.
Oh well it is nice to look forward to cool things, it's a lot better than many people have these last days or holding our breath for the election. I am fortunate in so many ways in this life I wish everyone a decent place to live and security.
Tried the Ecstasy pair yesterday. I had already made up my mind I would prefer the red and I did, so I spent most of the time with it thus I can't really comment on the blue. These pedals don't sound or feel like pedals which is great but it takes more work to find that eq balance with different amps. That being said, the red sounds like a cranked Bogner. I tried it with 2 amps in the store (mesa and vox) and with 3 more at home after I bought it (blackstar, egnater, bogner and it "Bognerified" all of them, especially the last one..... The pedal is busy and there are a lot of options and thats good if you are patient but i spent too much time trying various tones and not enough playing with ones i loved. When I said it doesn't feel like a pedal I mean that I found I was thinking of the red as I would my preamp and how it interacted with different power amps. You have to watch the gain though, right out of start its high. I found that i needed a pretty clean amp and a twin or 412 cab sounds bigger. I'm taking it to a gig today with a 112 Egnater combo and a single humbucker guitar. I won't have time to tweak it, I'll be forced to use it rather than play with it which is good. Looking forward to reporting back on how it sounds.
Very cool, looking forward to more.
It seemed to me the RED was a burn machine and the BLUE could be more of an overdrive. Bogner claims these are not typical tech and different than any diode or FET type circuit. Impressed by the option switches and looks as if there is a lot to work through to adjust to ones style and tones. $300 is a huge expense but perhaps worth it if they are above the usual tech level.
Bogner is a genius w amps so I expect a lot from these pedals. If you have seen him on the vids that dude's glasses are just so odd, like thick, huge, magnifying glasses, he must be damn near blind or he can see like a microscope.
Any uber gain pedal is better through a vibrant clean channel with no breakup happening whereas an overdrive works with a gained or channel on the edge of breakup. Different animals in general. May be why some do not like some pedals. The idea of the RED and BLUE channels is to add the effect of channel switching to a single or just a clean channel amp. Anyway, I am hoping my vendors pick up on these so I can make payments. Seems like I keep running into $300 pedals these days which are real budget killers.
I found them to sound alright, but lack the oomph of the amps. I don't feel like they're worth the price point new, but that's just me.
Do you suppose it might be problematic as to what amp is used? Maybe they have a chemistry that might be better with certain amps. Just thinking out loud.
That is what I find w so many pedals, some overdrives kill w a particular amp and not another and the guitar as well. When you ponder the variability, seems impossible to make something that sounds great with any guitar or amp. One reason we all tend to lean to different pedals as our favs.
I have to agree the $300 level on any pedal is getting pretty ridiculous.
I really want one of those Tone Monk Phoenix drive's but the price is killing me. I tend to try and use AMS or zZounds to make payments not using credit qual and that is great help these days but everyone else wants the whole cost. Hard for me to drop $300+ at one time.
Seems like we are being conditioned to pay more to a $300 target now that we sort of got used to a $200 range. No real reason a pedal needs to cost that much especially when put in mass production and availability. Look at a lot of these low watt amps, which is not my thing, but they are charging pretty much the same for no watts as amps normally used to cost.
I think we are being taken for a junkie sleigh ride as our addiction for guitar pedal coolness is pushing the prices to a higher center point. Remember when we thought $200 was a ton for a pedal, now it seems to be $300.
I agree I would far rather have the Ecstasy amp. But this is the real world and anyway I am certain that 99 out of a 100 people I ever play to have never heard of Bogner. The Ecstasy red is for gearheads who want to have something close to an Ecstasy sound through their own gear and in that respect it gets close enough. It's never going to be perfect but then most of us, myself included have unrealistic expectations of what that sound should be. I have never had the chance to crank an Ecstasy amp beyond 50% power to really hear it roar. I played the RED through the clean channel of a Shiva and it sounds pretty damn good, good enough that I won't be taking it back. It offers me a different sound from the shiva's gain, more crushed glassy chunk and less softer rounded crunch which for $200 + a couple of trade ins at GC is not a bad deal. Most importantly I played out with the RED last night through a 1x12 40 watt Egnater set clean on an "American" sound with the volume at around 1 o'clock, just shy of breaking up. I used a single hum guitar (DiMarzio 36th ann PAF) and an MXR carbon copy and EHX Holy Grail in the loop. I left the Ecstasy pedal on the whole time with the gain around 10 oclock and used the guitar volume to clean up and the boost for solos. I was grinning from ear to ear, it sounded fabulous, way better when the amp was as loud as possible and it really does behave like part of the amp. So as far as I'm concerned, whether it sounds like an Ecstasy or not it sounds good enough for me to be a keeper.
Nice to hear a working review and use.
I would love to have both of these but it is a serious hunk of change and I am done giving gear to GC for like a 1/4 or 1/3 at best what is is worth. My wife even told me to not do that anymore, just box it rather than give it away and just work towards what you want, was her advice, as she has seen me drop entire chains of gear moving to the next exciting marvel and regretting all the stuff I lost in the process. Besides I only force myself to go to GC if I am just out of strings or something I just have to have without waiting on it.
I do wish some of the other great on line vendors would opt to the deals AMS and zZounds do which is offer 3 and 4 month payments with no credit check or financing. Just takes a debit/credit card, really helps a lot but their selections are not what I would like from PGS and others. Some one in charge should wake up to the idea this could make them a fortune and boost their sales exponentially. They have little to lose on anyone not paying up as they have direct auto billing and they have probably gotten most of their cost in the 1st payment and certainly by the 2nd. Great idea in these hard times as it is just near impossible to rack up like $600 to buy something, my wife sees that balance and its hello shoe store and purses. And she deserves that as much as I need new toys. The payment thing helps keep the cost down and keeps it under the budget alarm.
At any rate thanks for the Bogner update. I was surprised when I saw these they were so much smaller than I expected.
Just bought the Red Ecstasy pedal this weekend and here are a few thoughts for those considering:
I tested it through 2 amps; Fender Hotrod Deville set on the clean channel and a Mesa Lonestar also set on the cleanest setting. Played with a PRS SC- 245 and a Suhr Modern.
It definitely does feel like it becomes a new dirt channel on your amp. Very open-sounding and not too much compression like other OD pedals. Huge array of tones are coaxable out of this pedal- and as I have heard others remark, it is indeed quite hard to get a bad sound. There are literally no narrow sweet spots like many pedals, this one sounds fantastic any way you set it. With the pedal volume pushed, it really feels like a loud and cranked tube amp, the downside is it is noisy. Overall, tons of flexibility from modern rock tones to higher gain settings as well. Using the PRS and the Fender, my wife had to literally remove me from the room as I was simply lost in tonal bliss. Personally, I tend to return most pedals and this is the only dirt pedal that I am wagering will replace my TS-9 ultimately. Definitely worth giving this a try if you haven't already done so.
Great xmas present this year, my vendor just added these in inventory, waiting on the new batch to come in. Sweet.
I am still leaning towards the BLUE as more of a workable overdrive. Can you tone down the RED with less gain and get more an overdrive tone?? Be nice if the RED could roll off plus gain its brains out.
The more I read about these pedals the better they get.
No Op amps or diode circuit, a 5 stage class A gain build like the amp channel, interval voltage step up as well. Killer tech.
I have a second full production mix demo on youtube as well:
Nice playing, tones and production. More...you are the first one to post a demo of this pedal.
The Bogner site demos are decent quality but not my cup of tea to help me understand the tones the pedals can render. Gain, gain, is that all anyone knows how to do w an overdrive? I realize that is what the RED does and I get it and it does sound great. But I wanted to hear how much tone the Blue can render on lower gain drives, they all crank it up to max gain, just a smattering of cleaner tones in the Bogner demo.
Did you by chance try out the Blue and Black?? I really would like to know what someone thinks of them that can actually play and render a decent quality assessment. How does the Unberschall sound, is it a useful gain??
I've been more torn on these pedals than the delay pedal dirge I recently had trying to decide what to get on my next pedal buy. (TC X4, won that one by the way.)
With the Bogner's I am stumped really. I get the tones I think each can afford me and what I could use. I feel the Blue is a great overdrive and is probably, or can get more moderate in gain, like I prefer. I think the Red is more a gain level distortion pedal like most in this area, but, of course the quality is apparent as is the price. Makes me want that Ecstasy amp over so many others, what a tone monster.
I find myself really wanting to explore the Uberschall Black pedal with more gain, approaching a more metal level of gain. but it is clear that this is not a typical metal like distortion and is less gainy but more tonal.
I sort of like it and think I could make use of it, yet it is a hard thing to decide between them. I sort of dig my Wampler drive at the moment and getting both of these forces me to retire some of my pedals which will just go on the shelf because I am not about to trade anything off ever again.
At first I was just going to get the Red and Blue but then the price starting bugging me at $600, then I started wondering if the Uberschall Black one might fit more with what I lack at the moment. A quality heavy gain pedal can be a real hoot to play with at times. I find myself wanting the Red and Blue but not really needing them. I could use a killer gain monster pedal and I have been pondering the Wampler triple Wreck for some time, that puppy is a real face melter and I dig Wampler Pedals.
Alas the trials and tribulations of not being able to try them out using my rig and guitar before buying. Last time I forced myself to go to Guitar Center for an "all out need strings issue", they had the Red and Blue but not the Black. I would rather hit myself w a hammer in the foot than demo a pedal at GC anyway.
I have the Blue but not the Uberschall. Blue is less compressed, cleaner, a lot less gain, and more open and punchy than the red. I use that pedal live, but just didn't get around to doing any demos with the Blue. They both stack with pedals in front very well. I currently use a Barber LTD SR to bump the gain a bit for lead work on my Blue. Also planning to get one of the new Klons.
I think I am going to get the Uberschall first as I could use a good articulate super high gain. I was a fan of the Wampler Triple Wreck but I think the Bogner will be a little more amp like in feel and less intense but it is a mimic of the amp itself. Reinhold is a genius in these matters I am amazed the Red and Blue do not use op amp or diode circuit for gain, that is pretty different tech.
I think the Blue would be a great drive and versatile but really I was so torn between the Red and Blue, I thought about getting them both, but I need to redo pedals in my loop chain and I want some new pickups as well.
I'll see where that one takes me and perhaps get both the other ones next buy.
Look forward to a Blue demo, go longer, run it through the paces and please try some lower gain more tonal things, seems like everyone these days cranks up the overdrives. They have become lower gain distortion pedals instead of amp drivers like I tend to use them.
God, I was looking through some demos of pedals checking out some different drives and dist pedals, amazing how terrible so many tend to adjust these things, why do they think metal gain level has to be so high end fizzy and shrill, beats me, terrible tone. The Bodgner's are more for a refined sense of tone player even the Uberschall is thunderous and articulate and great w dropped and lowered tunings.
I have the Blue but not the Uberschall. Blue is less compressed, cleaner, a lot less gain, and more open and punchy than the red. I use that pedal live, but just didn't get around to doing any demos with the Blue. They both stack with pedals in front very well. I currently use a Barber LTD SR to bump the gain a bit for lead work on my Blue. Also planning to get one of the new Klons.
Is it possible to get Blue type tones out of the Red? Based on all the demo's I have heard online, the Blue seems to be very thick and dark sounding. I like what I am hearing from the Red, but don't. really need that much gain all the time. I do like the overall EQ curve of the Red though.
I wish more demo's were done in the context of the mix like Darkhorses. I would like to hear the Blue with at least drums and a bass.
From what I have been able to work through watching everything available (ad nausem) one can range the Blue as a really great moderate gain overdrive.
It gets downright plexi like cleans as well as you can gain it up and push it as well.
I want both the Red and Blue but at this time I decided I had open slots in my rig I needed to fill before extending my already well armed overdrive section.
I went w the Black Uberschall this time as it gets a killer high gain w articulation and low end with that sweeping mid from cut to boost.
Great for any detuned or really heavy metal like tones. I am basically a fusion player and what I do with high gains and what not is probably different than the typical "metal" player. A really great super gain pedal can be a real blast to play with. My amp cannot render that no matter what and it is a gain monster.
The Red does gain down considerably and w all the toggles on the unit you can range it pretty well. For some reason everyone gains them up and no one tries for the lower gain tones which I prefer. Even the Uberschall cleans up rolling off the guitar vol. These pedals are not the typical circuits one finds in everything. The Red and Blue do not use op amps or diodes for distortion. Reinhold is a genius to be sure, with glasses that huge and thick I expect nothing less.
These are all great pedals you cannot go wrong on any of them.
I plan on the whole set in time. Makes for a killer advanced amp like 3 channel config that is the next best thing to having real Bogner amps. Once they catch on it will be increasingly hard to get them. My Uberschall is on backorder now hopefully next Monday shipment.
They do not seem to adjust things much in these demos. There is a little bit of rolling the gain off to show it cleans up well. I also like more low end, mids slightly cut and treb about 11-12:00. It kills on detuned guitars.
I have other pedals which can out gain it but it has a very nice articulate nature on the notes which few pedals approach, The Wampler comes the closest to the definition. I have several high gains as well as overdrives, just a hoot to play with. Nothing like blistering distortion fun.
I'll bet the Blue is a great overdrive w all sorts of tone options with lesser gain. Everyone likes the Red but I really like moderate more tone option overdrives. I have a great drive so I decided to concentrate on pedals I need.
I still consider the Wampler Triple Wreck the say all end all of super gain pedals. I have so many at this point I am way past overkill bit I do want the Triple Wreck just to have one. Wampler Pedals are just superb.
The Bogner's are all top shelf.
I hear Mesa is now putting out some pedals as well. The quality level is just getting better all the time.
I still consider the Wampler Triple Wreck the say all end all of super gain pedals. I have so many at this point I am way past overkill bit I do want the Triple Wreck just to have one. Wampler Pedals are just superb.
i have a Triple Wreck, Uberschall & King of the Britains. on my board the Ubershall tone sounds in between the TW & KOTB. the TW has more bottom end grit, the KotB is more midrange Marshall. the Uber is a bit brighter than both. i'm currently looking at ways to stack the Triple Wreck and the Uberschall on my board with a combine/mix pedal so i can get the best of both worlds.
any insight on how the Okko Dominator compares?
that one still tempts me.
i have a Triple Wreck, Uberschall & King of the Britains. on my board the Ubershall tone sounds in between the TW & KOTB. the TW has more bottom end grit, the KotB is more midrange Marshall. the Uber is a bit brighter than both. i'm currently looking at ways to stack the Triple Wreck and the Uberschall on my board with a combine/mix pedal so i can get the best of both worlds.
any insight on how the Okko Dominator compares?
that one still tempts me.
I love its tone, a unique voice and its articulation is better than most.
The TW is just more intense or at least it can be.
I love good distortion pedals and overdrives, I have several of each on my board. Blending does not work so well at least not from what I have tried. I prefer to hit the pedal with a moderate clean boost or overdrive and that kicks up the game without washing out the tone. I tend to just switch pedals rather than use the same all the time.
I should note the Uberschall sounds good on single coils as well but like most high gains, takes off with an HB. I just did not find the pedal as intense as I expected it to be from all the hype. It is very amp like in voice and very note articulate which is what I look for in a good pedal.
I've decided to stop trying to push the upper gain limits of the Uberschall pedal and roll the gain down to more an overdrive type pedal. Since it is designed more as an amp channel I am just going to keep the gain level down and work with the excellent tone controls and db boost capability as an overdrive/boost more so than trying to get it to distort more.
I think they miss sell the hype on this pedal but acting as if it is an over the top uber gain pedal, it is not. But it is a very amp like sounding pedal which can serve as a very good tonal overdrive with moderate to clipping gain. The db of the volume and the boost adjust lends itself to a great boost overdrive kick on the old tube amp.
All I can say is I adapted the Uberschall as an overdrive pedal w moderate gain rather than trying to use it as an "uber" gain pedal. The Red and Blue as well are overdrive amp channel sounding pedals, great tones and build, are they worth $300?? I paid $250 for the Black and somewhat regret getting it as I did not need another overdrive pedal. With the gain about 12:00 and using the tone controls to dial in some enhancement the Uberschall makes for a decent overdrive, I am sure the Red and Blue are as well. Are they heads above other pedals, I'd have to vote not so much. I can name several others I wish I would have gone for after the hype wore off.
I really wish I would have gone w my first impulse on the Blue. The Black Uberschall was a bit of a disappointment. I would opt for both of these if I already did not have a cluttered board.
By the way, Thorn, always consistent great quality demos and reviews! Dude can rip it up!
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