Anyone tried out the new BOGNER pedals yet??

[Blast9]

ahh shame - well Xmas is round the corner

[Cookie]

mine is arriving today. I ordered the RED.

To be continued. . .

[darkhorse]

I would recommend the Blue or the Red myself. Had I not an array of overdrives and gains I could see those two pedals making up the core of a killer drive section. The Uberschall, not so much, I regret dropping the bucks on it, works OK as more an overdrive gained down but the options and toggles on the Red and Blue are a major issue of more versatile tones.

[Cookie]

Played with the Red a bit yesterday. I'm definitely glad I got it. I plugged it into the clean channel of my Marshall JCM 600. The Bogner is definitely a different flavor than the amp sounds I have now. It's pretty awesome actually.

I bought it mostly for heavy rock but I can see it making an appearance on my wife's country album. . .

I'll play with it again tonight. This time through my Tech 21 Trademark 60. Interested to see how it differs.

$280 out the door at sweetwater -- 18 months same as cash.

[Cookie]

Played through the RED last night with my Tech 21 trademark 60. I think I like it a little better through my Marshall -- but it sounded killer through the Tech 21. Lots of balls for sure. My solos just had a lot of meat to them and the response felt really good. It's definitely a pleasure to play through.

[Withheld]

I purchased the red pedal (after selling an old vtwin pedal) a week or so ago and it's really impressive. I hooked it up with my Marshall 2555 and through the clean channel and if the pedal was set right, it really did offer two dirt channels and the amp clean. My biggest problem with od pedals is getting them to be louder than my amp. The Marshall takes pedals weird but this was a different story. With the adjustable boost volume on board it changed everything. Such a versatile pedal and it sounds ****ing great. The switches actually do something too which I was skeptical about at first. Personally I like the variac switched on and the pedal master cranked to 3 o'clock.

My only complaint is when I try to combine the pedal with the amps dirty channel the pedal, once switched on, drops in volume and sounds really compressed. I personally can't get this pedal to boost the amp dirt channel at all. HOWEVER the versatility through the clean channel makes this well worth the money. It sounds amazing.

[Blast9]

2555 dirt channel - That will def be something to do with the headroom of the dirt channel's tubes, esp if your pedal's output is higher than unity i.e. you're boosting the input level to the amp.

[Withheld]

Originally Posted by Blast9

2555 dirt channel - That will def be something to do with the headroom of the dirt channel's tubes, esp if your pedal's output is higher than unity i.e. you're boosting the input level to the amp.

Even at lower amp volumes it does it. If I changed the tubes would it change things? Any suggestions otherwise?

[Blast9]

"lower amp volumes" - Just wanna check - do you mean lower amp volume levels or preamp gain levels or lower pedal output levels?

The typical "marshall gain" of the JCM800/Jubilee amps is designed around the ECC83/12AX7 preamp tubes, so if you like the gain you're getting from the preamp, probably best keep the same tube in there.

The lower gain version of the ECC83 is the 5751 (about 70% of the gain)

Watford Valves :: Product - ECC83/5751/PHILIPS

[velvetgeorge]

Your 2555 has clipping diodes in the signal path, everything exceeding their cutoff is clipped into square wave. That's why the boost in front leads to smaller, quieter output.
If you adjust the gain structure you can find a median setting where the boost will make it louder, but no guaranty that your non-boosted tone will be ideal with those settings.

I have a prototype of the Blue pedal (Reinhold said the pots were scratchy) and that thing kills. It really feels like playing an amp which is pretty remarkable IMO. I'm not normally a pedal guy but I enjoy playing this one a lot. I suspect these pedals will do very well.

George

[Blast9]

Hey George thanks for that info - wasn't sure if the Jubilee has diodes or not!

Are you the Metro Amps guy?

[Withheld]

Originally Posted by Blast9

"lower amp volumes" - Just wanna check - do you mean lower amp volume levels or preamp gain levels or lower pedal output levels?

The typical "marshall gain" of the JCM800/Jubilee amps is designed around the ECC83/12AX7 preamp tubes, so if you like the gain you're getting from the preamp, probably best keep the same tube in there.

The lower gain version of the ECC83 is the 5751 (about 70% of the gain)

Watford Valves :: Product - ECC83/5751/PHILIPS

I should have clarified. Lower master volume. I would want to try those 5751s though, sounds like it would be better fit. Thanks for the input, I wasn't sure why it did that but it makes sense now.

[velvetgeorge]

Originally Posted by Blast9

Hey George thanks for that info - wasn't sure if the Jubilee has diodes or not!

Are you the Metro Amps guy?

Yes Sir.

George

[Blast9]

Great - really good to have an expert around

[darkhorse]

Rig Rundown - Dweezil Zappa - PremierGuitar.com

Dweezil Zappa using the Blue Bogner in mix with his high end rig of 2 Fractal units no less, and some interesting pedals integrated into the system.
Blue is used to just render the sustain infinite w just a touch more gain on his use.

Still just not really liking the Uberschall Black, disappointed it cost me $250, wish I would not have waited and just returned it. Using it for more an overdrive with moderate gain level. Is very articulate and toneful but wish I would have gone for the Blue or Red. I think the Blue would be a great overdrive that is not too gainy.

[youngalistai]

do any of these pedals have headphone input ?

[Blast9]

No - they are designed to go in the front end of an amplifier... They are not amp simulators.

[darkhorse]

They rightfully label these units "overdrives", and not distortion pedals but they do overhype the Uberschall as being uber gain, it just isn't. They are great sounding amp like overdrives. Are they worth $300 or $250, not for my opinion.
They are great pedals and sound great but they are overdrives and amp channel sounding boxes. Do not look for over the top gain levels out of them. At lower gains they have superb tones via EQ, very articulate, and dead quiet.

[andychamp]

The red in front of my '71 JMP, (volume 2-3, barely breaking up but plenty loud), into a 4x12" is a thing of scary beauty.
Gain around 12 gets more out of the switches, which have a huge influence on tightness, overtones and note definition. 1984-era VH, Steve Stevens and Cantrell tones are all there with some tweaking.
But it can also get loose and sludgy with the variac switch, full gain & boost, and the structure switch. Echoes of Entombed, Probot, early Metallica, even Mastodon. With a really clean amp, I think even djenty grind might be possible.
There's always more of an amp feel, rather than just that of a pedal, although more gain tends to sound more compressed. The EQ is very effective and interactive. I barely go over 12 o'clock with the bass, 2 with treble. The mids - like on a good amp - can radically change the basic tone character.
On a side note: before buying, I also tried the Mesa throttle box but found it too limited. OTOH, the Fulltone Secret Freq. was very interesting, but not what I'm looking for at the time.

[borg64]

My Bogner Red currently lives inside my Kemper distortion loop for heavier - yet still clear and articulate - distorted tones. Palm mutes sound fantastic! Compared with simply turning the Kemper gain knob up, I'm getting much more 'vibe' using the Red instead. Noise levels are also up a bit, but I don't mind that.

As andychamp said, a lot of tonal possibilities with the different switches on this one. I rarely set the gain on the Red above 10 o'clock, a little goes a long way for me.

Sven

[darkhorse]

I've found the Uberschall makes for a great moderate overdrive that adds articulation and when clicked on kills all noise floor in the chain from a higher gain pedal. Morphs well with a high gain to improve the tone. Very much amp channel sounding pedals. If I did not already have so many I would like to have the red and blue as they are just great overdrive pedals with a ton of tone toggles.

[firubbi]

hi which remote switch will work with the red/blue? does Roland DP10 do the job?
thanks

[Blast9]

Originally Posted by darkhorse

I've found the Uberschall makes for a great moderate overdrive that adds articulation and when clicked on kills all noise floor in the chain from a higher gain pedal. Morphs well with a high gain to improve the tone. Very much amp channel sounding pedals. If I did not already have so many I would like to have the red and blue as they are just great overdrive pedals with a ton of tone toggles.

Cool, sounds like it is finally workimg for you!