SAE Institute or point blank

[AngeFragile]

What exactly do you want to take away from it? I'm currently enrolled in sound education in Utrecht. In the course of the year you learn how to work with analog and digital gear plus you get a taste of all sorts of different disciplines in the music business. For example current homework is to score a video with sound and music. Other assignments have been mixing, matering, recording a band in a studio, etc.

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[babalu]

what i want from it is to be a music producer in the end.. recording artists & recording , making my own music,.. recording live instruments.. etc etc. & maybe even leading a band in concerts on stage..

the reason i asked some help is because i am about to send my registration form for SAE Institute amsterdam, and i just want some information from people who or study there or are tutors?...

I've been searching google for people who have been studying at these places.. but i bought this forum would be a better place for seeking some good advice..

[doulos30]

some good advie? Don't try to jump into a dying industry based on a dying business model 30,000 in debt with nothing to show for it, or have a Great plan B if you do. The world of 99 cent downloads isnt exactly the land of milk and honey.

[babalu]

anyone else with good advice??? & maybe someone who is studying at one of these colleges??

[AngeFragile]

Hey Babalu, did you check my earlier suggestion? It seems they also offer which you would like to learn about. And it is a bit easier on the pocket than at SAE. Even SAE teachers give guest lectures at this school. Les Studio Techniek

If you'd like to know anything about it in more detail, PM me

[SAE AMS]

Dear Babalu,

Thank you for considering our Audio Engineering course at SAE Institute Amsterdam.

Recording, mixing and mastering will be covered during the course (next to live sound, ENG audio, postproduction, foley recording …). Expand your practical skills in our 'in-the-box' studio, TL Audio VTC studio, SSL6000e studio and Avid / Digidesign D-Control studio.

You are always welcome to pay us a visit during a personal appointment. This is the perfect opportunity to see our practical areas. Please use the following email if you have any questions or if you want to make a personal appointment: t.smeyers@sae.edu.

Best regards,
Tom Smeyers
SAE Institute Amsterdam

[Magnus]

Originally Posted by doulos30

some good advie? Don't try to jump into a dying industry based on a dying business model 30,000 in debt with nothing to show for it, or have a Great plan B if you do. The world of 99 cent downloads isnt exactly the land of milk and honey.

This really is good advice! Don´t do it. I'm not trying to put you down but hardly anyone can support themselves in the music business anymore, and big studios (that actually employ engineers) are closing left and right. Record labels have shrunk their budgets, so no more big fancy studios and expensive producers unless you are U2. Getting in debt like that to try to land a job in the music business is economical suicide.

You can make great music without any education. Just keep on working with a computer and a DAW and try to improve and be creative.

[Jim Rosebrook]

Originally Posted by babalu

anyone else with good advice??? & maybe someone who is studying at one of these colleges??

This suggestion is quite a different path than you were initially asking about, but we have many students from outside the States attend our accelerated music recording/production program.

We've been around 35 years, have graduates from over 40 countries, and have had alumni nominated for Grammys for "Best Engineered Albums" for the past two years.

We are not the educational answer for everyone, but we a very good choice for many. Very affordable tuition and on-campus housing.

Do not confuse us with similar sounding schools. We are the original Recording Workshop in Chillicothe, Ohio... aka "THE" Recording Workshop or "RECW".

Here's a link:
Recording Workshop - Music, Audio and Sound Production School

[bwrecordings]

SAE stole money from me and never returned my phone calls. I wouldn't go there.

[jitterybit]

SAE or any other recording school will not help you make better music.
Find a studio and intern.


I went to SAE. I learned a good bit.
I'm still paying for it.
I'm not paying for it with money I'm earning from the "industry"

[Kid_Fiction]

Originally Posted by bwrecordings

SAE stole money from me and never returned my phone calls. I wouldn't go there.

Hahaha classic! Not the first time I've heard that story! Here's what I recommend... buy yourself a laptop, a keyboard and years supply of canned tuna, break up with your girlfriend, lock your self in a room and don't come out till you're Jimi Hendrix. There's honestly no other way to do it. Eat, shit, sleep, and breathe it.

[tritace]

I did the degree at SAE(London) about 12 years ago. In the 1st year i learned a lot of practical information that has stood me in good stead. However..in hindsight i should have stopped after the diploma as the 'degree' part of it is just padding to try and make the degree grade...loads of pointless modules about Music history etc. Would have been better if the teachers were from the industry rather than just SEA students who couldn't get a job.
Not one aspect of the course made me a better musician/writer or creative producer. And non of it helped me get a job, apart from the occasional teaching job in the past when the work dried up (i know, irony) Having a degree does help with education jobs, and thats regular work to a freelance producer.

When i did the course it was all 24inch tape and Neve/SSL...things iv never seen since, but it felt worth the money. Im not sure how id feel about paying all that money to look and Logic and a laptop.

The big studios are closed, but theres still runners needed in post production studios and live etc. There is work out there for audio industry pro's and people looking to work there way up. Dont be put off...but it will never be the type of job where you know what you will be doing day to day till the age of 68..but what is these days though.

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[wcb123]

SAE is not worth the money I promise you. Far better video resources on the web.

If anything invest that money in a computer, active speakers and acoustic treatment.



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[Kid_Fiction]

If you want to learn to engineer and to record bands having access to the studio can be an invaluable aset, but as with many things you'll learn more outside of class by trying and doing things yourself. If you make friends with people studying there you'll always have access to the rooms anyway.

If you want to learn to produce or to write music then you're better off on your own. Just attach yourself to people who are better than you are and learn as much as you can.

I did a few online courses from Berklee Music (Berklee College of Music's online school) and can definitely stand behind their courses. I did one called The Art of Mixing (which is all practical) and one called Music Production Analysis, both were fantastic. I wouldn't learn an instrument online but other stuff is fine.... Definitely worth a look anyway.