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| Gear addict Joined: Dec 2011
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Thread Starter | Could you mix without using a single compressor?
Only eq. I know it might sound to some, but just curious what the outcome might be.
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| Lives for gear |
Very uncompressed
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| Gear addict Joined: Dec 2011
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| Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2010
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I tried... back in the 90s I really really tried. I felt that too many nuances and subtleties were lost. I've recorded a lot of opera and a fair amount of classical, didn't use compression... but as I passed off the tracks to the producer for post, I've no idea what might have been done after the fact.
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Seriously why would I want to. If I didn't like the sound that would be one thing. There's a reason I have 40 channels of analog compressors, I like em!
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| Gear Head | Compression!!
You could, but compression has been around since before multi-track recording for a solid reason. Uneven sound is distracting to the listener. Even if you mixed with absolutely no compression, it's never going to get through mastering without being heavily squeezed. Too much compression is (arguably) a bad thing, but no compression would sound appreciably worse unless you were magically able to get everyone to perform with virtuoso consistency, your mixer was an absolute genius at automating volume and EQ as well, and you were completely ok with your stuff sounding 6 to 10db quieter than everything else they listen to. That annoys listeners and tunes them out as quickly as sour notes. |
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| Gear addict Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Manor House London
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You can use saturation instead of compression sometimes. It has a similar effect, reducing the dynamic range but it also adds harmonics and dirt which might not suit certain kinds of music. Tape saturation or overdrive and distortion can even out levels and control the envelope of your sounds. Guitar amps and tube mics have a certain amount of built in compression and a very even player or a singer with great mic technique will also work without compression. You can also use automation to even things out. ...
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It all depends on the quality of the musicians and their technique. You can take that to the bank.
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| Gear interested Joined: Feb 2011
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Short answer yea you can but it's so dependent like so many options available in music today, Phil Tan mixed Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" without compression.
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| Gear maniac Joined: Sep 2009 Location: New York City
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Being dissatisfied fighting against the artifacts of the LA2A and Melcor units I learned with, I recorded for 5 years without compression during the late '70's and don't regret the results. I was working on pop, funk, folk and with musicians who were willing to control their performances to "fit" the recording. I'm not against them but they're not absolutely necessary. |
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| Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2008 Location: secluded tranquil country
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why would you wanna mix without compression? you might find it hard to mix without faders too. Creating a smoother/denser sound is another tool of mixing, you shouldn't have to omit compression from your mixing arsenal. I agree recording doesn't need compressors. But mixing music with zero compression is like mixing music without having all your tools. Use compression according to your taste and vision for the mix. Regards Josef Horhay Mixing Engineer www.acoosticzoo.com |
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| Gear maniac Joined: Jun 2010
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| In a DAW I often region editing or volume automation to level out vocals. It's much more transparent to my ear - it just takes more time.
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| Gear addict Joined: Apr 2010 Location: North Carolina
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Pretty obvious what the outcome would be doesn't it?
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While I tend to agree that a large part of how "good" a recording is is dependent upon the quality of the tracking (the dynamics of the musicians, etc) there are applications in the record-making process where compression is needed, regardless of how well and dynamically-tracked said material is. Compression is a tool, simple as that. If the recording needs it, use it. And yes, everyone can absolutely mix a song with no compression. Fader riding? Different story.
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| Gear nut Joined: May 2009
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It's pretty typical to avoid compression whenever possible in bluegrass music. Compressing a banjo is considered an abomination in most camps. And yes, it does depend on the musicians' dynamics. You can make mixes plenty loud with lots of texture without compression if the musicians do their part. |
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