m1731 Melcor

[Ziggy!!]

Since Bobrick seems to be missing in action, i'll pass on his sentiments.

Hi people, please take a look at these before you answer or consider buying.


http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=42721

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=40553


Im glad to see you didn't discover the coupled version that actually works properly without developing parasitic oscillations. Since you missed that, im sure you matched the appropriate components too...

Malkjos you hackjob... go away.

Guys, If you'd like me to point you to the original site of such infomation that includes a refined more accurate version of the 2520 predecessor as well as the appropriate documentation, please feel free to email me.

[Ziggy!!]

Malkjos, I noticed you tried selling your shotty work on ebay but all your auctions go pulled and your account got canned. Thats funny!

I noticed you have been making a fool of yourself over at recording.org too. Its pathetic. You should change your logo to this, it is much more suiting!

[malkjos]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

Malkjos, I noticed you tried selling your shotty work on ebay but all your auctions go pulled and your account got canned. Thats funny!

I noticed you have been making a fool of yourself over at recording.org too. Its pathetic. You should change your logo to this, it is much more suiting!

IGNORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MF

[Ziggy!!]

Now now Malkjos... If you are going to send me such rude emails about doing nasty things to my mother and sister atleast have the courtesy to fix your nasty gramma.

Are you upset that your fraudulent activities continuously get exposed in public?

I guess in your case it is just stupidity and ignorance going hand in hand...


One day you will learn... Were you run out of the telecommunications industry because of your terrible work? I guess your attempt at selling USB Card Readers went down the tube too right? I wonder how many half-baked ideas it takes before someone realises it will never lead to anything worthwhile.

[malkjos]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

Now now Malkjos... If you are going to send me such rude emails about doing nasty things to my mother and sister atleast have the courtesy to fix your nasty gramma.

Are you upset that your fraudulent activities continuously get exposed in public?

I guess its just a case of stupidity and ignorance going hand in hand...

sorry for bad English I'm not ausy , english or american , I'm Macedonian and I know morethan English than your Macedonian. I want to know what is your job in this forum???? pls explan this and live me alone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by malkjos

sorry for bad English I'm not ausy , english or american , I'm Macedonian and I know morethan English than your Macedonian. I want to know what is your job in this forum???? pls explan this and live me alone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My official title on this forum is "Director of Exponential Quantitive Affairs". Other days im just an irritating jackass to certian forum members who think they deserve to be left alone...

Guess who that certian forum member is today! fuuck

Please, tell me why I should leave you alone. Just one good reason and im gone...

[malkjos]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

My official title on this forum is "Director of Exponential Quantitive Affairs". Other days im just an irritating jackass to certian forum members who think they deserve to be left alone...

Guess who that certian forum member is today! fuuck

Please, tell me why I should leave you alone. Just one good reason and im gone...

live me alone to work my job

[peterc]

Ok, this is suddenly not funny any longer. This PCB is not Malkjos design but my own!

http://1176neve.tripod.com/id17.html

I did this design for non-profit public usage, NOT for someone to use & try & make money from my work. This stuff is purely for fun & learning, not there to be ripped off.

If you read the disclaimer from my fron page it is:

All PCB images are for non-commercial use only i.e. fair use only please.

So please stop advertising them as commercial products using my design.

If there were any question of using my design (which there is NOT), I would not allow this level of construction to reflect my hard work. It is pretty bad.

Peter Cornell

[7 Hz]

This is scary. This is one of the worst soldering jobs I have ever seen. Note the missed connection and many poor joints on this little board. I am shocked that someone would have the brass neck to try and sell goods such as this on a pro audio forum. This board is beginers work c- at best. I am guessing malkjos is very young and inexperenced, both with electronics and conducting himself on the WWW.

[dasbin]

Originally Posted by peterc

Ok, this is suddenly not funny any longer. This PCB is not Malkjos design but my own!

Well, it's not really your design either though. I mean, yeah, you put in some work to make a PCB design, which is great. But it's not like you came up with the Melcor design in the first place, is it?
Nobody should be making money off something that someone else designed. Not that you are, but I think this is really a grey area because I can't see you "owning" the rights to this design any more than the guy making the (shitty) boards.

[peterc]

Hi Bradley

My point is this:

Malkjos is welcome to use the Melcor design for his own PCB's.

I put more than 50 hours of work into designing that PCB, about 6 prototypes & component costs as well to get it right.

I dont appreciate people taking a PCB design that is clearly marked "not for commercial use" & use it as is. No "hey, can I use your design?" or something in that vein.....

Rant mode off

Peter

[7 Hz]

I think it's a fine line, but Peter is on the right side of it.

I just found out why the soldering is so bad:

Originally Posted by malkjos

it was soldered with a car ciggarettte like-ghter

[dasbin]

Originally Posted by peterc

I put more than 50 hours of work into designing that PCB, about 6 prototypes & component costs as well to get it right.

I totally understand this and I think I mostly agree, but I just think that morally just is such a debatable area.

To me it almost seems analogous to finding 90% of the source code for a popular piece of software, figuring out the last 10% by yourself, and then posting the 100% on the internet. You're not making money off it, and you put work into it, but is it right?
I do some preamp cloning myself, so I'm not really taking a side on this one, it's just something I've been debating with myself and others lately and have yet to come to a verifiable conclusion.

[TRW]

Originally Posted by dasbin

To me it almost seems analogous to finding 90% of the source code for a popular piece of software, figuring out the last 10% by yourself, and then posting the 100% on the internet. You're not making money off it, and you put work into it, but is it right?

Well that would be 100% fine with me if that software was about 30+ years old and no longer supported by any manufacturer on the planet. Especially if the code no longer existed in any commercially available product. I may even see this as "doing people a favour".

In any case PeterC is really not posting the 100% as Ziggy has already mentioned. There was still a long way to go after the re-layout of the PCB before that amp worked as it should. I would say Peter just posted the last 10% and left anyone capable enough to figure out the way to make (schematic) 90% + (pcb) 10% = 100% which is not always as straight forward as it sounds....

PeterC has been more than clear which side of the line his work/interest/hobby lie on and if you cannot see that then perhaps you should put those DIY clone preamps of yours out of use until you decide what is acceptable on a moral level.

Not to beat on you (I'm really not in any way) but I guess unless you worked it out all on your own(?) the pieces you have DIY'd have been facilitated due to someone elses generosity?

Sharing the knowledge one has acquired through trial and error as PeterC has done is a fantastic thing - not everyone does it and due to this prick's (electronic worker that is) blatant ignoring of the 'rules' (i.e selling DIY efforts) I'm sure many others like PeterC may not continue to share their findings. Shit maybe someone who has worked hard for many man hours on an original design for a group of people to share will stop due to outbreaks like this.

The fact is anyone with half a brain and a conscience should see the line between learning for interest and ripping for profit. Its obvious this guy from Macedonia doesn't care, he must have got the message in the other threads even if English isn't his first language.

People like him ruin the party for a lot (and I mean A LOT) of 'law-obiding' people. The sharing of knowledge for learning should be celebrated, the mis-use of such knowledge should be punished IMO.

The real shame is that this will probably only get worse - if its not this guy its another and the only losers are the original designers and the group who do this stuff out of a love to learn not steal.

BTW that is the worst solder job I EVER seen.

-T

[malkjos]

Originally Posted by 7 Hz

This is scary. This is one of the worst soldering jobs I have ever seen. Note the missed connection and many poor joints on this little board. I am shocked that someone would have the brass neck to try and sell goods such as this on a pro audio forum. This board is beginers work c- at best. I am guessing malkjos is very young and inexperenced, both with electronics and conducting himself on the WWW.

Open your eyes and see the third picure.
Actualy u dont have basic knowlege of electronics.
For explenation see this picture.

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by malkjos

live me alone to work my job

What is your title? "Seller of non-profit, non-commercial designs? No, really! I'd like to know what your job title is... you obviously haven't got a clue about electronics because of your component choice and workmanship...

[malkjos]

I m so sorry for the insult to Peter Cornell and i wont make that kind of mustake again. (The guy very polite told me on email his opinion and i like that).


For the others: If we talk abut cloning what will happen if C4=120nF R3=R4=39k R1=128k
Is this clone?
Hmmm.. This changes dont make influence to the workpoint in A class in same place.

[7 Hz]

Originally Posted by malkjos

Open your eyes and see the third picure.
Actualy u dont have basic knowlege of electronics.
For explenation see this picture.

Ahh silly me.

Still, in the morning, I'll be intelligent, and your soldering will still suck thumbsup

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by TRW

Well that would be 100% fine with me if that software was about 30+ years old and no longer supported by any manufacturer on the planet. Especially if the code no longer existed in any commercially available product. I may even see this as "doing people a favour".

-T

Dasbin, perhaps you should type "Commodore 64 games" in a search engine for an answer to your query. There is once expensive software being offered free everywhere... because it has long since been superceeded.

The only wrong that is happening in this thread is malkjos trying to sell them.

Its like taking the full 100% of the software and trying to market it as your own...

[malkjos]

Originally Posted by 7 Hz

Ahh silly me.

Still, in the morning, I'll be intelligent, and your soldering will still suck thumbsup

there is a great difirence how the work looks on picture and how they realy are.
u can not tell how bad is my soldering.


P.S. IF SOMEONE WANT ONE OF THIS I'LL SEND HIM FOR FREE (one part) (For testing)

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by malkjos

there is a great difirence how the work looks on picture and how they realy are.
u can not tell how bad is my soldering.

LMAO! thats the funniest post this bloke has ever made hahaha...

[malkjos]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

LMAO! thats the funniest post this bloke has ever made hahaha...

That avatar u have is like explination your mental condition.
What is your job on this forums? Waithing to malkjos to post something and get on his neck? Johny cool off... people who knows electronics dont bother with aestetics... its the functionalyty that mathers. By the way have u tested how my products work?

So Johny go and make your self a limonade, stand by the window(whit the lemonade in your hand), take a deep breth and ask your self. WHY DO I HAVE THE NEED TO RUIN SOME MAN BUSINES USING STUPID FACTS THAT ARE NOT VALID.

So Johny i must admit that u acomplished one thing: Make your self a huge as$hole.

[malkjos]

For information next product is CDB5394
If someone likes mainboard contact me.
(ziggy, do you know what is this)

PS. I will change the color of the cable so it wont be copy it will be cloning with my design.

[dasbin]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

Dasbin, perhaps you should type "Commodore 64 games" in a search engine for an answer to your query. There is once expensive software being offered free everywhere... because it has long since been superceeded.

Yeah, this makes perfect sense to me. But what about something like API 312 that is still in production? There are probably more free DIY designs surrounding API than anything else.
I say this not trying to attack a perspective at all, just exploring ground here.. I have myself built an API clone and also bought an OSA (thinking about this now, this seems the most REALLY sketchy territory). Maybe I should just shut up about this, but I'm just interested to see what you guys think about this kind of thing.

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by malkjos

That avatar u have is like explination your mental condition.
What is your job on this forums? Waithing to malkjos to post something and get on his neck? Johny cool off... people who knows electronics dont bother with aestetics... its the functionalyty that mathers. By the way have u tested how my products work?

So Johny go and make your self a limonade, stand by the window(whit the lemonade in your hand), take a deep breth and ask your self. WHY DO I HAVE THE NEED TO RUIN SOME MAN BUSINES USING STUPID FACTS THAT ARE NOT VALID.

So Johny i must admit that u acomplished one thing: Make your self a huge as$hole.

Wow... You try and insult a man in a wheelchair, then you say people who know electronics don't bother with aesthetics, then you try and deny you are selling non-commercial designs

Its funny, forget about the first insult... People care about aesthetics of their electronics... Did you not notice how all those people in your previous thread thought it was a joke? Thats right... they thought your work was a joke... it was that bad... and they don't even care about electronics. They just want quality.

WHY DO I HAVE THE NEED TO RUIN SOME MAN BUSINES USING STUPID FACTS THAT ARE NOT VALID. LMAO!

Please, tell me what stupid facts i have been using to ruin your "business". You admitted to taking JLM designs, you admitted to taking Gyraf designs, and you admitted to taking PeterC's design... You seem to be ruining it just fine by yourself...


CDB5394 is a converter chip... Im glad you are keeping with the times and choosing a chip that has a maximum sample rate of 48khz

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by dasbin

Yeah, this makes perfect sense to me. But what about something like API 312 that is still in production? There are probably more free DIY designs surrounding API than anything else.
I say this not trying to attack a perspective at all, just exploring ground here.. I have myself built an API clone and also bought an OSA (thinking about this now, this seems the most REALLY sketchy territory). Maybe I should just shut up about this, but I'm just interested to see what you guys think about this kind of thing.

No, this is actually a good question. People are getting edgy with Malkjos because he is taking non-profit DIY designs and trying to market them as his own... Its like borrowing a book from a public library then photocopying it 100 times and trying to sell those copies...

I guess the real question is, how different does a design have to be to be considered original. Remember that the original 312 was just a card that slid into a card rack underneath an API console... The 500 series format didn't even exist at that point...

How about another question. Whats worse, building your own clone for yourself? or selling the clone and making a profit?

[malkjos]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

Wow... You try and insult a man in a wheelchair, then you say people who know electronics don't bother with aesthetics, then you try and deny you are selling non-commercial designs

Its funny, forget about the first insult... People care about aesthetics of their electronics... Did you not notice how all those people in your previous thread thought it was a joke? Thats right... they thought your work was a joke... it was that bad... and they don't even care about electronics. They just want quality.

WHY DO I HAVE THE NEED TO RUIN SOME MAN BUSINES USING STUPID FACTS THAT ARE NOT VALID. LMAO!

Please, tell me what stupid facts i have been using to ruin your "business". You admitted to taking JLM designs, you admitted to taking Gyraf designs, and you admitted to taking PeterC's design... You seem to be ruining it just fine by yourself...


CDB5394 is a converter chip... Im glad you are keeping with the times and choosing a chip that has a maximum sample rate of 48khz

OK, i m the onely one person that is not telling lies here: "I have redisigned the stuff and now is my invention". Bro u dont get it do you??? I M CLONING CLONES NOT STEALING ORIGINALS LIKE OTHERS DO!!!! (and they work good).
Than again what if i do this: I pay a proffesional to make me a good website, pay a proffesional photographer to make me the pictures(where u cant se the soldering and design ), buy good boxes for the products and i change my proffesional identity...hmmm... Prodigit inc. (or something thats sound more proffesional), And mister Ziggy gets a emaill: please visit www.prodigitalo.com, and mister ziggy go to the website and becoause he is not a good knower of electronics( and they don't even care about electronics.---by ziggy) He will post a new thread EVERYBODY GO TO WWW.PRODIGITALO.COM THEY HAVE AWESOME STUFF!!!

Tell me is this not posible Johny? I think it is, you dont care how the stuff works, u care about how they look. So.. Maybe one day u will be buying from malkjos and say: i like those guys in prodigitalo, what they make rullz!!

Thanks Johny for the support and take my advice whit the lemonade.


P.S. I was not making fun with people in weelchairs i was comparing your low mental condition as invalid.


P.P.S. For the "then you try and deny you are selling non-commercial designs " I did that (as i said) becouse i m respecting the PeterC and his polite act of asking me not to do that)...I M STILL SEATING STRONG ON THAT I DONT STEAL ...I CLONE FROM STEALERS!!!...if u like it like that.

[malkjos]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

No, this is actually a good question. People are getting edgy with Malkjos because he is taking non-profit DIY designs and trying to market them as his own... Its like borrowing a book from a public library then photocopying it 100 times and trying to sell those copies...

I guess the real question is, how different does a design have to be to be considered original. Remember that the original 312 was just a card that slid into a card rack underneath an API console... The 500 series format didn't even exist at that point...

How about another question. Whats worse, building your own clone for yourself? or selling the clone and making a profit?

Tell me how can JML99,Milenia MM990, melcor 1731 borrow a book from 2520 and photocopying 100 times and trying to sell those copies... and that is not stealing (u see we are going back to te same thing... u r using stupid facts johny).

And this is geting boring... u say that every body are making adjustments and that gives them originality, no Johny that makes them good cloners, so i need to clone the original one and make adjustments than i m not stealer... A question: What if i clone from a clone and make some adjustments? M i not stealing from them? Changing the cable color wont give you any orginality Jonny! U r still using the original!



And about : "How about another question. Whats worse, building your own clone for yourself? or selling the clone and making a profit?" I dont get this good but...hmmm... the best cloners are selling their stuff. Internet is swarming.


Lemon has a lot of useful vitamin C.

[Ziggy!!]

hahaha... re-design my arse... Every picture you have posted is of the exact layout you took from someone else...

I also noticed this.
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=21136

I guess the truth comes out about why Tony was trying to stick up for your dodgey work... he's your cousin... oh my!

You obivously haven't a clue... The people who buy pro-audio want quality... quality includes all aspects of electronics & aesthetics. Did you not read the posts when you posted your first picture? Good quality electronics result in good aesthetics too... but you wouldn't know anything about that now would you... This is so very funny...

Just to remind you of what people think of your electronics work...

is this ajoke? - dbock

a very crappy joke, i'd say - deft_bonz

DONT WASTE YOUR TIME GOING TO THE LINK POSTED ABOVE - 84K

You're soldering sucks. - djui5

that work is looking terrible. I've never seen such horrible PCB's in my life! - Virtalahde

It seems everyone can notice the difference in quality except for a dimwit like you. Come back when you get a clue...

This is junk:

http://eworkers.topcities.com/images/ssl.jpg


this is quality: