Guitar from a distance

Atari · 26th September 2005

I want to feed a guitar amp through a multikabel that is about 20m long. What is the best way to do this without losing quality?
Greets and thanks,
Tim.

phalaris · 26th September 2005

I'm not sure of the exact science behind this configuration, and welcome some correction or explanation, but what a friend and I have used is this: Use a good thick cable like Mogami 2549, then on the guitar side TS use one conductor for signal and one for ground leaving the shield free. On the amp side TS tie signal to tip and then tie both shield and signal/guitar ground together to the shield of the TS. Seems to work good at about 50ft but with some guitar/amp combos the capacitance can cause the cable to make noise when it is shaken hard.

Nutmeg II. · 26th September 2005

Haveing at least one pedal with a buffer stage could make life easier.

A good and cheap way is to have the amp in the CR and the cab in the studio (run the speaker cable seperat from your mic lines!).

Another way (and probably the best) is to get a line driver. Some times two passiv DIs could do the job.

wwittman · 26th September 2005

In MY experience, at a distance like that... a good quality wireless unit will sound better than that long a cable, no matter WHAT it is or how it's done.

tINY · 26th September 2005

There are some small nuainces with the output impedance of the PU and the input impedance of the amp interacting. Often, different lengths of cable and different types change this interaction.

If you are going into a stomp box from the guitar, then this isn't an issue. Like Nutmeg sayz - put the peddal in the control room and you should be able to drive 20m better.

The other thing you can do (which has other advantages) is to use a decent wireless system like a Sure Diversity.

-tINY

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Atari Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 196 Thread Starter	Guitar from a distance I want to feed a guitar amp through a multikabel that is about 20m long. What is the best way to do this without losing quality? Greets and thanks, Tim.

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Nutmeg II. Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: GEARmany Posts: 985	Haveing at least one pedal with a buffer stage could make life easier. A good and cheap way is to have the amp in the CR and the cab in the studio (run the speaker cable seperat from your mic lines!). Another way (and probably the best) is to get a line driver. Some times two passiv DIs could do the job. __________________ "Any recording engineer who uses a tube U47 is obviously not a professional" Stephan Temmer 1979

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wwittman Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York Posts: 2,262	In MY experience, at a distance like that... a good quality wireless unit will sound better than that long a cable, no matter WHAT it is or how it's done. __________________ William Wittman Producer/Engineer (Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield...)

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26th September 2005	#2
phalaris Gear Head Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 42	I'm not sure of the exact science behind this configuration, and welcome some correction or explanation, but what a friend and I have used is this: Use a good thick cable like Mogami 2549, then on the guitar side TS use one conductor for signal and one for ground leaving the shield free. On the amp side TS tie signal to tip and then tie both shield and signal/guitar ground together to the shield of the TS. Seems to work good at about 50ft but with some guitar/amp combos the capacitance can cause the cable to make noise when it is shaken hard.

26th September 2005	#5
tINY Gear Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 10,206	There are some small nuainces with the output impedance of the PU and the input impedance of the amp interacting. Often, different lengths of cable and different types change this interaction. If you are going into a stomp box from the guitar, then this isn't an issue. Like Nutmeg sayz - put the peddal in the control room and you should be able to drive 20m better. The other thing you can do (which has other advantages) is to use a decent wireless system like a Sure Diversity. -tINY