ever heard of cables named "evidence" there supposed to be as good as monster cables.

[meymia]

not what cables whould u recommend?

[The Byre]

Monster is just ordinary cables in a fancy package. For mic and line we use Klotz. For speakers (i.e. between power amp and speaker) we use heavy-duty two-core flexible power cable.

[DeepSpace]

Originally Posted by meymia

what cables whould u recommend?

"Supposed to be as good as monster cables" is certainly no recommendation. I've no direct experience of evidence cable, but their promo materials sure sound a lot like the kind of speil you invariably hear from the snake-oil merchants.

Superb, professional quality, dependable (and not over-hyped and over-priced) cable can be had from Canare, Mogami and Belden. Most pro studios are cabled using one of these three.

The best option is to get a roll of a suitable type of one of the above brands (eg we use Canare L2T2S here) and make up your own cables using decent quality connectors (Neutrik, Switchcraft etc).

Failing that, I'd recommend that you purchase cables from a supplier that makes up their cables using known decent brands of cables and connectors such as the above.

[Kn9Sly]

I thought this was great considering the stink monster makes about its quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIf8HLZK6a8

[idylldon]

If you're not up to making them yourself, then contact Redco and they will make some excellent cables for you using Mogami, Canare, Beldin, or their house brand at decent prices. Monster cables aren't anything special.

I have no affiliation with Redco.

Redco Audio

Cheers,
--
Don

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by meymia

Ever heard of cables named "evidence" there supposed to be as good as monster cables. - ...what cables whould u recommend?

Uh oh!

Then they ain't such a big deal anyways. Monster cables are a con - a big, fat, fancy packaging, monster-marketing con.

[chrisgraff]

mogami guitar cables don't sound all that great. Just about any of the boutique cables would be an improvement. Equally, you'll improve your sound by keeping cable lengths short and removing any unecessary pedals.

[JustinAiken]

What are some good connectors? I need some 1/4"'ers to make patch cables, and want good quality... Neutrik NP3X-B, NP3C/B, or others?

[zeroeight]

Originally Posted by JustinAiken

What are some good connectors? I need some 1/4"'ers to make patch cables, and want good quality... Neutrik NP3X-B, NP3C/B, or others?

The Neutriks are pretty good. Some people like the gold plating, but unless your studio is in a humid jungle, you probably don't need that. The major advantage (in my mind) is they don't have that stupid little left-handed grub screw that always gets chewed up by the screwdriver.

On my workbench I have 4 sets of Neutrik NC3FX/NC3MXs ready to be wired up to some Mogami quad core. I like the quad core mainly for mechanical reliability rather than any claimed sound quality improvements.

Now the real debate is whether or not to connect pin 1 to the shield tab. Should you do it on both ends, just one end (which end?), or not at all?

Edit: Doi, just saw that you were talking about the 1/4" plugs, not the XLRs. I like the Neutriks for the 1/4"s too.

[Sacha]

Evidence are FAR better then Monster, they made a big difference in my rig. The owner Tony is also very helpful and knowledgeable. thumbsup

Nothing against Mogami I think they sound good as well, but Evidence was superior to my ears, and they should be for the price difference!

[Brad McGowan]

I use Evidence Audio in my band and in my studio. For guitar and other instruments (bass, synths) they sound superior to anything else I've tried: George L, Planet Waves, Whirlwind, Monster. As a microphone cable and interconnect they are definitely more dynamic and revealing, and less colored compared to Mogami, Belden, Canare, etc. I have Evidence Audio Lyric in all my critical cable runs (favorite preamp to converters, from D/A to monitors), and use a Lyric mic cable to do all overdubs. To my ears these cables are the most musical cables that my budget will allows. I've said this before, but I've heard more of a difference switching out Mogami from my D/A coverter to my monitors than I did from swapping D/A converters.

It's really nice cable. Listen to it before judging it. You will probably like what you hear. Owning a couple 6 ft. cables for your monitors and one 20 ft. mic cable are about the cost of a couple cheap Chinese ribbon mics.

Brad

[Michael_Joly]

Brad is spot on. You gotta hear this stuff.

I use LYRIC HG solid core conductors in my mods - harmonics and fundamentals sound more like they are related, time-aligned perhaps, and consequently have more impact and musicality. Not just a simple "brighter" sound.

Tony Farinella of Evidence is a real Monster, not just one in name only.

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by Kn9Sly

I thought this was great considering the stink monster makes about its quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIf8HLZK6a8

All the reason I need to buy Monster: "It's a product you can be proud of."

Oh, yeah.

[Brad McGowan]

Thanks for chiming in Michael! Ken and I really dig the mod you did on the Stellar stereo ribbon. Not too get off topic, but is there any way we can improve the imaging on that mic?

Brad

[Steffmo]

Back in the day Monster made some great, groundbreaking wire.

That stopped years ago. They now make as mundane a product as I can imagine, and the price id totally unjustiiable.

PLUS they are one obnoxiously litiginous company. They'll try to sue a company for using the word "wire". or "cable"

[BOWIE]

I wired my studio with Evidence Audio Lyric HG because I like the detail, bandwith, and overall musical quality. I was previously using Mogami Neglex which is a great cable, but was sloppy compared to EA Lyric. I also replaced my George L, Bill Lawrence, and Monster cables for guitar, amps, speakers, etc w/ Lyric. Monster Cable is usually pretty bad sounding IMO. They rely purely on their marketing.

[redddog]

God damn this never ending BS.

So Evidence copper is more dynamic and revealing than Mogami (or Redco)?

This crap just makes you all sound silly.

This crap about boutique cable just makes the guys who spend $20 a foot on this stuff seem ridiculous to me.

Copper is copper guys. Hate to blow the cover off this whole thing for ya.

[BOWIE]

Originally Posted by redddog

God damn this never ending BS.

So Evidence copper is more dynamic and revealing than Mogami (or Redco)?

This crap just makes you all sound silly.

This crap about boutique cable just makes the guys who spend $20 a foot on this stuff seem ridiculous to me.

Copper is copper guys. Hate to blow the cover off this whole thing for ya.

No need to get rude just because you can't hear the difference...

[Chaellus]

are there any silver cables... for 1/4 or xlr? i mean silver wire..

[sluttygearhere]

Originally Posted by redddog

God damn this never ending BS.

So Evidence copper is more dynamic and revealing than Mogami (or Redco)?

This crap just makes you all sound silly.

This crap about boutique cable just makes the guys who spend $20 a foot on this stuff seem ridiculous to me.

Copper is copper guys. Hate to blow the cover off this whole thing for ya.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I was sooo waiting for this. And you totally fulfilled all I could ever hope for with this post. Thanks, that just made my day.

-- Ben

[BOWIE]

Originally Posted by Chaellus

are there any silver cables... for 1/4 or xlr? i mean silver wire..

Yea, Zaolla (I don't know the correct spelling) makes them.

[Chaellus]

Originally Posted by BOWIE

Yea, Zaolla (I don't know the correct spelling) makes them.

how would you rate those?

[BOWIE]

Originally Posted by Chaellus

how would you rate those?

I haven't used them myself but I have used silver wire several times and it was pretty bright sounding. Noticeably moreso than anything else I've used. I hear the same thing about Zaolla. Some people really dig it, some like a more mellow cable.

The Lavacable site has a few comparisons and descriptions which might be helpfuf to anyone wondering about various high-end cables. They can be really pricey but I've bought a few things from Mark and have always been happy with what I got.

[Chaellus]

Originally Posted by BOWIE

I haven't used them myself but I have used silver wire several times and it was pretty bright sounding. Noticeably moreso than anything else I've used. I hear the same thing about Zaolla. Some people really dig it, some like a more mellow cable.

The Lavacable site has a few comparisons and descriptions which might be helpfuf to anyone wondering about various high-end cables. They can be really pricey but I've bought a few things from Mark and have always been happy with what I got.

brighter eh? probably has to do with silver being a better conductor than copper and maybe thats how the signal really sounds? and holy cow there expense cables.....il have to give them a try....and thanks for the info ill check that out.

[chrisgraff]

Originally Posted by Chaellus

how would you rate those?

Zaolla...similar to Vovox cable; both sound very well balanced. The Zaolla might sound just a bit sweeter in the high mids.

There is indeed a difference in cables. I've recorded/compared a few of them.

One of my favorites cost less than $20. Slightly microphonic, big bass response. Go figure.

[davidperetz]

Originally Posted by Brad McGowan

I use Evidence Audio in my band and in my studio. For guitar and other instruments (bass, synths) they sound superior to anything else I've tried: George L, Planet Waves, Whirlwind, Monster. As a microphone cable and interconnect they are definitely more dynamic and revealing, and less colored compared to Mogami, Belden, Canare, etc. I have Evidence Audio Lyric in all my critical cable runs (favorite preamp to converters, from D/A to monitors), and use a Lyric mic cable to do all overdubs. To my ears these cables are the most musical cables that my budget will allows. I've said this before, but I've heard more of a difference switching out Mogami from my D/A coverter to my monitors than I did from swapping D/A converters.

It's really nice cable. Listen to it before judging it. You will probably like what you hear. Owning a couple 6 ft. cables for your monitors and one 20 ft. mic cable are about the cost of a couple cheap Chinese ribbon mics.

Brad

+1 on that - really great cables. very musical.

[James Lehmann]

Originally Posted by redddog

God damn this never ending BS. So Evidence copper is more dynamic and revealing than Mogami (or Redco)? This crap just makes you all sound silly. This crap about boutique cable just makes the guys who spend $20 a foot on this stuff seem ridiculous to me. Copper is copper guys. Hate to blow the cover off this whole thing for ya.

Unlike most people who weigh in with vehemently unsupported opinion on these cable debates I actually took the time to perform a cable shoot-out and post some WAV's on this Forum. So before we continue this discussion "redddog" can you just confirm that you've listened to these clips, you personally cannot hear a difference, and you would describe anyone who can as dealing in "crap", sounding "silly" and valuing the "ridiculous"?
Clips here >>> JL's cable shoot-out.

[ssaudio]

Your 'shoot out' only proved the point that when it comes to scientific testing, it really needs to be left to professionals.

[kruegger]

Originally Posted by redddog

God damn this never ending BS.

So Evidence copper is more dynamic and revealing than Mogami (or Redco)?

This crap just makes you all sound silly.

This crap about boutique cable just makes the guys who spend $20 a foot on this stuff seem ridiculous to me.

Copper is copper guys. Hate to blow the cover off this whole thing for ya.

[James Lehmann]

Originally Posted by ssaudio

Your 'shoot out' only proved the point that when it comes to scientific testing, it really needs to be left to professionals.

So er... were you able to hear a difference or weren't you?

By the way, I am not claiming to perform "scientific testing" and I am quite happy to leave that to "the professionals" (what and whoever these terms mean, but you are presumably intending to define these more precisely and contribute your own evidence to the discussion?). And obviously, extending your line of reasoning, your view is that every time a mixing engineer tweaks the EQ on a track that this would need to be "scientifically tested" by "professionals" before there is any evidence that there is a difference?