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Interesting results. I see Slate are in damage control again suggesting how to make their plugin sound better
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I did an other test!
TEST 2
Ratio 4:1
Attack : 30ms
Release : 1
Matched treshold/GR

I used the VBC 1.0.1.6 and added Cytomic Glue to the comparison!
Here are the WAV files (sorry, no MP3 this time...)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4w422zerinashig/sslv2.zip

Good luck again!

(I have also added this info and the link to the 2nd post)
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In my order of prefference. 4,1,5,3,2

4,1,5 I liked. 3 and 2 did nothing for me.

On earbuds again

Results Pleeeese
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I did an other test!
TEST 2
Ratio 4:1
Attack : 30ms
Release : 1
Matched treshold/GR

I used the VBC 1.0.1.6 and added Cytomic Glue to the comparison!
Here are the WAV files (sorry, no MP3 this time...)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4w422zerinashig/sslv2.zip

Good luck again!

(I have also added this info and the link to the 2nd post)
awesome! checking it out...

just to confirm, on VBC you have HPF off (dial all the way left). similarly, with The Glue, Range is set to "full" (all the way right) -- yes?

actually, on The Glue -60 to -80 (full right on Range knob) is considered within the spec of the original SSL hardware. my guess is that -80 slightly overshoots it. so -70 (slightly back from the right) is probably the closest match.
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I´m on headphones now, so can´t speak about image. But sonic wise i like 4 and 5.
I fell that 5 tilted a bit toward a low end comparing to 4(i don´t know if it makes any sense to you). 4 has a very nice snap. N1 is nice too btw. I believe that 4 is uad and 5 is the glue.
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I prefer 3 in the first test. Could you please send me the results?
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In my order of prefference. 4,1,5,3,2

4,1,5 I liked. 3 and 2 did nothing for me.

On earbuds again

Results Pleeeese
Listening to them at the studio with Genelec s and Lavry blur converters .

Ill now go 1,5,4,2,3

1 seems sonically superior to the others but really like the way 5 compresses.

I do know the results now but no effect on what I hear.
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Actually only taste separates 1 and 5 for me. 5 has a bit of kick to it I like and would be the main reason for me using it and 1 just sounds superb but just too smooth maybe . Very tough .
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I prefer #2 on the first test.
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Can you send me the key for the second test, not the first? Please!!
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5 this time
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funny, I have not even listened but any test that does not match the settings between the contestants in an at least semi-scientific way is not a competition between different plugins but a test between different plugins set to different settings. A conclusion that points at the "quality" of the plugins is pretty much invalid in that case. It is very easy to do especially for SSL compression with stepped settings for all parameters, all that is needed after setting the same compression settings is a test tone to ensure they all kick in with GR at the exact same input level and then also calibrate the output level to the same value.
I have done lots of SSL testing myself, and I can subjectively say that:

1 - auto release is very different than the other values, especially the 100ms release. can´t be compared in any way. auto release is also where the emulations differ most imho.

2 - the Duende emulation is extremely close to the hardware compression (which we have here in our studio) for both E channel strip and Buss compressors.

3 - the Glue sounded pretty different from the typical SSL sound imho, very different transient transformation.

4 - a good setting for a real SSL busscomp almost always results in lack of bass on the output, which might sound like a weakness in comparison to other comps/plugins that do not have that sonic imprint, making it sound "better" out of the box. However that SSL behaviour can be "undone" by either mixing into the compressor to compensate beforehand or boosting the bass slightly after the comp. I often prefer the "compensated" result to other compressors which initially sound "better" because of more bass coming through. You gotta know those beasts before drawing conclusions imho...

Loving those tests nonetheless, just pointing out what´s important and to where the pitfalls are hidden when drawing (wrong) conclusions.
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the Glue sounded pretty different from the typical SSL sound imho, very different transient transformation.

The Glue vs HW
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Here are the results of the SSL Buscompressor shootout:

V1
1. SSL Duende Buscompressor Native
2. Waves SSL Buscompressor
3. UAD SSL Buscompressor
4. Slate Digital VBC Grey

V2
1. Slate Digital VBC Grey
2. UAD SSL Buscompressor
3. SSL Duende Buscompressor Native
4. Cytomic Glue
5. Waves SSL Buscompressor

Thank you all for participating !

Please take a look at my Reverb Shoot out here:
Reverb plugins shoot-out! (Lexicon, Relab, SSL, UAD, ValhallaDSP)
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hm....how about that! Interesting results.
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Waves SSL seems to be a very good option.. I preferred "5" in the last test.
Unfortunately Waves SSL is not cheap and Afaik the SSL G-Master Buss is not available as a single plug-in? Some re-sellers having Waves SSL 4000 for about $460.
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Kinda off topic but you hit the light switch on me....So would it be better to lessen the overall compression for customers reference files that are mp3? Even though its not a final copy clients still like to hear the best of the best even if its after the first tracking session.:rolleyes:

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Kinda off topic but you hit the light switch on me....So would it be better to lessen the overall compression for customers reference files that are mp3? Even though its not a final copy clients still like to hear the best of the best even if its after the first tracking session.:rolleyes:

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mp3 "compression" is lossy data compression, not audio compression (that modifies signal gain/volume).

the only thing the two have in common are letters, and the tendency to make a perfectly good mix sound like crap.
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I checked out the files and they sound more similar to each other than what I remember, still the Glue has more overshoot and to my ears ironically less glue effect than the rounder SSL compression.
I also did a quick comparison today where I calibrated the Glue and the Duende native Buss comp with a sine wave so that they did the same amount of gain reduction at a 4:1, 10ms Attack and auto-release setting. When substituting the sine with real music program, the Glue had a significantly different amount of GR (about 3-4dB more GR) going on. When adjusting the threshold on the Glue to achieve the same amount of gain reduction, the sine test showed that the thresholds were at very different points....I guess these things are responsible for the Glue to sound like an SSLish but still different compressor. Maybe it´s a different knee, I do not know...
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I checked out the files and they sound more similar to each other than what I remember, still the Glue has more overshoot and to my ears ironically less glue effect than the rounder SSL compression.
I also did a quick comparison today where I calibrated the Glue and the Duende native Buss comp with a sine wave so that they did the same amount of gain reduction at a 4:1, 10ms Attack and auto-release setting. When substituting the sine with real music program, the Glue had a significantly different amount of GR (about 3-4dB more GR) going on. When adjusting the threshold on the Glue to achieve the same amount of gain reduction, the sine test showed that the thresholds were at very different points....I guess these things are responsible for the Glue to sound like an SSLish but still different compressor. Maybe it´s a different knee, I do not know...
Yes, i know what you're talking about...impossible to match them.

The Duende comp doesn't have 'soft' knee shaped curve (the hw has one so does the glue) and 4:1 ratio is more like 6-8:1 so all that contribute to the difference, of course. One more thing, i think that when in auto release mode attack is affected too that somehow treat transients very differently on Duende but im not so sure in this one. Maybe something else is going on.
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3 1 2 4 (without looking at what other participants picked :p)
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I also compared the SSL Channelstrips.. in that case, no3 did not sound the best...
Which one did?
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Which one did?
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SSL Duende
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This tests made me rethinking about ssl bus comp emulations so i did a little test myself.
No Slate's comp cause it's not a 'clear' emulation and I'm not on UAD so only
The Glue, Waves SSL Comp and Duende Bus Comp this time.

Erol's original file, same settings as before.

Ratio 4:1
Attack : 30 ms
Release : 100 ms
GR: about 4 - 5 dB

Thresholds are matched by trying to null the signals.

320 kbps mp3 files

Results in a few days.

Q: Which one do you prefer?
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File Type: mp3 dry.mp3 (2.12 MB, 194 views)
File Type: mp3 1.mp3 (2.12 MB, 235 views)
File Type: mp3 2.mp3 (2.12 MB, 204 views)
File Type: mp3 3.mp3 (2.12 MB, 218 views)
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dotl, 1 and then 2/3, probably more 2 than 3
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2, 1, 3 for me.
Looking forward to the results!
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One more thing before results... This is the difference between sample 1 and 3:
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File Type: mp3 1-3 difference.mp3 (2.12 MB, 101 views)
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Results:

1. t glue
2. duende
3. waves


As i said before, the Duende comp doesn't have the 'soft' shaped curve but the other two have, ratio set at 4:1 is actually more like 6-7:1 (so it sounds more lively here) and it has differently shaped attack/release curves. It usually sounds more open than the others but sometimes it can sound like a cardboard.

The Waves comp and the Glue sound very similar but the waves' comp compresses more at hight end (0.9 dB more), narrows the stereo field a bit more and has the biggest 'glue' effect out of the three IMO. I like the weight it adds to the upper-lows but i also like the hi-fi sound of the glue.
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