B2 v ERS250 v LX480 v Vee3
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B2 v ERS250 v LX480 v Vee3

One more reverb shootout

The contestants in no particular order are:

2CAudio B2
Empty Room Systems EMpTy250
ValhallaVintageVerb (only using the Sanctuary algo)
Relab LX480

There are 6 separate aux send verbs used in the mix:

vox
drum bus
piano
wurlitzer
congas
synth/pad (before vocals)

There are 4 mixes of the complete song called "Empty" in the shootout.
It is a Melbourne band called Amphibian with Natalie Gray.
I did a remix of it which was released by their label a few years back.
This is a fresh remix, not released (yet).

In each mix all 6 instances are all one of the reverbs.

In reality I may not do that, I may use different reverbs.
But for the shootout it is all one verb in each mix.

Mix A is using 6 instances of one reverb, likewise mix B, etc etc

The inspiration for this project was Den's B2 presets.
I started with B2 and different Den presets, then added the other verbs.
I've tried to match the 4 verbs as best I can.

So what is the point......good question

I appreciate using a complete song, rather than a short clip, is a big ask for anyone wanting to check this out.
But it isn't done that often and I thought that was the best way to do it.
There are no guitars (other than the double bass).
The arrangement may not even be all that well suited to a reverb shootout.

So what should you do......
Whatever you like

You could rank the 4 in order of preference.
You could simply try to guess which is which.

Eventually I will tell you which is which.
If nothing else, this exercise has left me in no doubt that all 4 of these reverbs are capable of fantastic reverb.

Hopefully someone gets something out of the exercise.

cheers
Attached Files
File Type: mp3 Empty 5A.mp3 (7.56 MB, 395 views)
File Type: mp3 Empty 5B.mp3 (7.56 MB, 330 views)
File Type: mp3 Empty 5C.mp3 (7.56 MB, 359 views)
File Type: mp3 Empty 5D.mp3 (7.56 MB, 329 views)
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Thanks for this shootout.
You really did a lot of work to make this.
I really like the mix. A lot of styles and nice characters...

I will have to listen for a while to decide what is what. Music is nice, so it is hard to concentrate to reverbs.


But I like No 1 and more No 4, I guessing....
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Excellent shootout!! need a bit of time to process and listen...
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I'm going to check this out later then post my take....
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First off great production, mixing and tune man. Must've taken a fair bit of time.
I don't have B2 and haven't used the 250 enough to be familiar with it so I'll just list my fave reverb sounds in the mixes in order of preference.
I liked C the best followed by D,B,A.
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I prefered C as well, before D and A. My least favorite was B. Great remix!!!
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I like C
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I liked C, followed by A, D, B.
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Yes C sounds very nice indeed, like industry standard, I think it is 480LX.
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First off great production, mixing and tune man. Must've taken a fair bit of time.
Thanks very much Henge.
Yep it (sure) did take some time
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Yes C sounds very nice indeed
Thanks Den
C has raced to an early lead
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When's the reveal?
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When's the reveal?
Nothing set in stone yet Henge.
Maybe the end of the weekend my time.
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Drum roll...

A = ERS250
B = B2
C = Vee3 (Sanctuary only)
D = LX480

Any surprises?
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Drum roll...

A = ERS250
B = B2
C = Vee3 (Sanctuary only)
D = LX480

Any surprises?
Cheers
Man the LX480 and Vee3 really have that depth and classiness.
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FWIW, I preferred B. Sounded the most expensive.
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FWIW, I preferred B. Sounded the most expensive.
Cool.
Do you have any of these Verbs?
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I have the Valhalla and LX480 and don't use them anymore. I prefer the UA verbs more. With the Lexi 224, EMT250 and 140 emulations they do, nothing else seems to hold up. Seeing that B was the EMPTY250, I'll have to give it a try. Very smooth indeed. I bought the LX480 while it was on sale, as I liked the demo a lot. But the more I got into it, I ended up going back to the UAD 224. It just seems to have more character and makes me feel like I'm working in a really nice old studio. Sorry, that's the best way I can explain it.
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I have the Valhalla and LX480 and don't use them anymore. Seeing that B was the EMPTY250, I'll have to give it a try. Very smooth indeed. I bought the LX480 while it was on sale, as I liked the demo a lot. But the more I got into it, I ended up going back to the UAD 224.
Interesting, I don't have UAD so can't compare.

BTW B = B2, not ERS250.
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I have the Valhalla and LX480 and don't use them anymore. I prefer the UA verbs more. With the Lexi 224, EMT250 and 140 emulations they do, nothing else seems to hold up. Seeing that B was the EMPTY250, I'll have to give it a try. Very smooth indeed. I bought the LX480 while it was on sale, as I liked the demo a lot. But the more I got into it, I ended up going back to the UAD 224. It just seems to have more character and makes me feel like I'm working in a really nice old studio. Sorry, that's the best way I can explain it.
That is why I created these presets for Aether.
2caudio Aether : An Ultimate Fidelity Auto-Randomizing Algorithmic Reverb Plugin
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Drum roll...

A = ERS250
B = B2
C = Vee3 (Sanctuary only)
D = LX480

Any surprises?
Cheers
Well, I liked 480LX the most. Vee3 was nice too.
It is so relative with reverbs, and whatever you use it depends on how you going to shape it and what style you want.

Thanks for the results.
Cheers
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What is Aether?
It is another reverb plugin by 2CAudio, the makers of the B2 reverb.
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It should be noted that a verb costing way less than the others is the majority choice! Interesting...
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Interesting, I don't have UAD so can't compare.

BTW B = B2, not ERS250.
May I ask you what sound did you used on B2 on the output limiter?
And what Attitude settings, if you used any? It sounds like everything is on default to me. Can you tell me please?
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May I ask you what sound did you used on B2 on the output limiter?
And what Attitude settings, if you used any? It sounds like everything is on default to me. Can you tell me please?
In Preferences, Limiter Mode is Off

As I said in the first post, the starting point for this exercise was choosing from your B2 presets and then trying to match the sounds with the other verbs.

I chose these Presets for each instance:

vox > Vintage Plate Vocal
drum bus > Drums Hall A
piano > B2 Amsterdam Hall
wurlitzer > Open Short Space A
congas > Drum Space C
synth/pad > Large Church

In all those presets Attitude is Off.

I just did a quick check.
It looks like you have Attitude off for all your B2 presets.
They were your "latest" presets at around 8 April 2013.

Hope that helps
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In Preferences, Limiter Mode is Off

As I said in the first post, the starting point for this exercise was choosing from your B2 presets and then trying to match the sounds with the other verbs.

I chose these Presets for each instance:

vox > Vintage Plate Vocal
drum bus > Drums Hall A
piano > B2 Amsterdam Hall
wurlitzer > Open Short Space A
congas > Drum Space C
synth/pad > Large Church

In all those presets Attitude is Off.

I just did a quick check.
It looks like you have Attitude off for all your B2 presets.
They were your "latest" presets at around 8 April 2013.

Hope that helps

Thanks for the explanation.
Well I can recommend you to use it on this way.
For the very nice, "expensive" sound (note:for those who can take it literally, I mean Expensive Hardware units like M6000 MKII €13,555 or any others) go for: Sat II on 0db output limiter, and Attitude =40 on Harm II on all presets.
That will change the things quite.

Try it and you will be impressed.
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Well I can recommend you to use it on this way.
For the very nice expensive sound go for: Sat II on 0db output limiter, and Attitude =40 on Harm II on all presets.
That will change the things quite.

Try it and you will be impressed.
Ok Den, thanks.
I will make the changes you have suggested and see what happens.
Maybe I should post the same mix with the results.
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Ok Den, thanks.
I will make the changes you have suggested and see what happens.
Maybe I should post the same mix with the results.
Actually you can try Attitude=30 to 40 (Harm II) it depends what you want. But I like 40 the most.
It is actually brings more dimension with harmonics.
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Well I can recommend you to use it on this way.
For the very nice expensive sound go for: Sat II on 0db output limiter, and Attitude =40 on Harm II on all presets.
That will change the things quite.
Here you go Den
EXACTLY the same mix but with those changes to all B2 instances.
It is a new 5B - which is called 5E
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