28th January 2013
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#1 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter  | Reverb Test 3 VVV,Phoenix,R2,LX480,Vroom
Ok one more test with background vocals and halls around 4 sec with around 21 sec pre delay.
I didn't try to match at all and just let the verbs speak for themselves. The different personalities and sounds are amazing. It could be easier to tell or harder, who knows!!
It should also be mentioned that these "tests" are MEANINGLESS. None of these sounds made the mix as the song was uptempo and needed a short room!! 
Context is everything and we have none here, but it lets us bask in these wonderful algo reverb sounds and have a little fun!! 
Big reveal IN POST #26
Thanks guys it was a total blast from this perspective.
I know it's been said allot before but excellent times for itb reverbs.
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29th January 2013
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#2 | | Gear maniac
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This is much harder test. Here I think A sounds the most hifi and clear, whereas B-E don't sound all that dissimilar to me. At least not to the point where I'd even want to venture to guess or even pick a favorite. So I'm going with A is whatever the Michael Carnes verb is that's supposed to be more modern and clean, and everything else is some kind of more traditional Lexi style verb.
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29th January 2013
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#3 | | ValhallaDSP
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Originally Posted by Funkybot  This is much harder test. Here I think A sounds the most hifi and clear, whereas B-E don't sound all that dissimilar to me. At least not to the point where I'd even want to venture to guess or even pick a favorite. So I'm going with A is whatever the Michael Carnes verb is that's supposed to be more modern and clean, and everything else is some kind of more traditional Lexi style verb. | I haven't listened to the examples yet, but ValhallaRoom is NOT a traditional Lexi-style reverb. At all. Totally different algorithms.
Michael Carnes' Phoenix sounds kinda Lexicon-ish to me, but with all the artifacts I hear in the Lexicon reverbs removed. Phoenix is very neutral, with the transparency that the Lexicon-type algorithms have, but with none of the coloration that the allpasses usually add to the sound.
So, this will make the test that much harder. | |
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29th January 2013
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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VERY cunning Henge... 
YOU don't have to stress yourself out trying to guess which is which 
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29th January 2013
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Beatworld VERY cunning Henge...
YOU don't have to stress yourself out trying to guess which is which | Absolutely. | |
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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E followed by D sounds as good as any Hardware Box from the 80's !!
Really Fantastic for that Type of Sound ! What A time to make music :-)
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29th January 2013
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Reborn E followed by D sounds as good as any Hardware Box from the 80's !!
Really Fantastic for that Type of Sound ! What A time to make music :-) | These verbs are so capable of "modern" spaces as well.
The EA and Valhalla verbs ARE modern reverbs as they were created now. The LX480 can sound totally modern if you use it that way imo.
These vocal examples are drenched in reverb so we can really hear the effect so I guess it can sound pretty '80s!!
Yeah, amazing tools and amazing times.
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29th January 2013
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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I really liked the second and the fourth ones best.
Don't really care what they are and of course that is only based on this specific snippet, but it will be interesting to see what is what.
Bet I didnt pick the LX480 on either one though.
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29th January 2013
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#9 | | Gear addict
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I didn't do critical listening, simply based on enjoyment level I prefered E. But they all sounded nice, A was a bit over the top to my taste. Saying that, I listened through my phone/cans. Will listen again through monitors later.
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29th January 2013
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#10 | | Lives for gear
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after quick listen i enjoyed C,D,E in this test 
D:VVV ?
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29th January 2013
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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Nice!! Keep the guesses coming guys!;-)
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29th January 2013
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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Henge can you give the result?
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29th January 2013
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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would have been nice to have X-verb in these test
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29th January 2013
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#14 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Fred_Abstract Henge can you give the result? | Patience my friend!! Reveal in 2 hours in respect to time zones.
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29th January 2013
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#15 | | Gear Head
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A hard one! I would guess that 1,4 are EA, maybe 1 - Phoenix and 4 - R2, 5 - VVV, 3 - LX and 2 VROOM. But it's a looong shot  | |
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29th January 2013
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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Reveal in post #1 | |
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29th January 2013
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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in that shoutout i find the lx480 to sound really good, VVV too.
In my own guess i got just Vroom right...
these tests showed me i need better ears training for reverb, it's really about knowing what to listen to .
it probably can make a big difference in a mix to really hear/fine tune all these subtle thing than most of us miss with reverb | |
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29th January 2013
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#18 | | Gear Head
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Originally Posted by dr_After A hard one! I would guess that 1,4 are EA, maybe 1 - Phoenix and 4 - R2, 5 - VVV, 3 - LX and 2 VROOM. But it's a looong shot | Ha! I thought this one is tough, but I managed to find R2, LX and VVV
Not so proud of other thread, where I got it all wrong Definetely I must listen more to reverbs :D It does not change the fact that I am definetely buying EA plugins this month. And it makes me sad from only one reason - this is the MOST expensive option of all. Daaamn.
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29th January 2013
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by dr_After Ha! I thought this one is tough, but I managed to find R2, LX and VVV
Not so proud of other thread, where I got it all wrong Definetely I must listen more to reverbs :D It does not change the fact that I am definetely buying EA plugins this month. And it makes me sad from only one reason - this is the MOST expensive option of all. Daaamn. |
nice one Dr, not far | |
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29th January 2013
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#20 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_After Ha! I thought this one is tough, but I managed to find R2, LX and VVV
Not so proud of other thread, where I got it all wrong Definetely I must listen more to reverbs :D It does not change the fact that I am definetely buying EA plugins this month. And it makes me sad from only one reason - this is the MOST expensive option of all. Daaamn. | They're all such quality reverbs with different characteristics. If I didn't have the EA verbs I'd be lusting after them...
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30th January 2013
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#21 | | Gear maniac
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When I was listening #3 reminded me so much of matt bianco in the 80's so I figured it was probably the lx480.
R2 still my favorite followed closely by lx480.
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30th January 2013
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#22 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by screentan When I was listening #3 reminded me so much of matt bianco in the 80's so I figured it was probably the lx480.
R2 still my favorite followed closely by lx480.
thanks for posting | My pleasure, it was a ton of fun. | |
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30th January 2013
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#23 | | Gear maniac
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Well compared / set up!
Differences are pretty minor, now we can compare reverbs instead of setting.
Having said that, early level or pre-delay is different for C giving it a dry(ish?) gap. It stands out because of this and I like it less.
And E has some distortion / aliasing or what is it? Sounds bad to me, but it's fairly minor (can hear it already on the very first sound so it's in the early reflections?).
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30th January 2013
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#24 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by syncussion Well compared / set up!
Differences are pretty minor, now we can compare reverbs instead of setting. | I could have done a better job choosing presets for certain plugs!!
One thing that became clear is that the dev's are at the mercy of whoever is running the test!!! If I make a bad choice a certain verb might not shine the way it's supposed to.
Again it comes down to context. Pop a reverb into a mix and it's dead easy to find excellent ambiances with all the verbs in this test.
Solo them and put them against each other and it gets kind of strange......  | |
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30th January 2013
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#25 | | Lives for gear
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it s weird yesterday i did my own shoutout and got a hard time to get something close to some convolutions .
it s maybe user error i don't know.
i m not reverb expert at all and i wonder if the ir static sound really matter? For what convolution reverb are more/less suited ?
Using a good chorus could do the trick for modulation ?
have to try with nebula reverbs and compare , i think there is some 480L presets around
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30th January 2013
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#26 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter |
REVEAL
A = ValhallaRoom
B = PhoenixVerb
C = LX480
D = R2
E = ValhallVintageVerb
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30th January 2013
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#27 | | Gear Head
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Originally Posted by henge REVEAL
A = ValhallaRoom
B = PhoenixVerb
C = LX480
D = R2
E = ValhallVintageVerb | I was playing for last 3 hours with R2 and Relab. and after all I must admit - those two beasts are very different, but very powerful. Each has huge amount of character and versality. My two favorite plugs for verb definetely. I still prefer R2, but I must admit - LX480 is soo fun to tweak and can be so close to R2 sound. And sometimes it can be miles away - just in a matter of character not quality. I really liked LX480 tonight. Awesome work of Relab. Maybe someday I will be able to afford every reverb I want  | |
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30th January 2013
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#28 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by dr_After I was playing for last 3 hours with R2 and Relab. and after all I must admit - those two beasts are very different, but very powerful. Each has huge amount of character and versality. My two favorite plugs for verb definetely. I still prefer R2, but I must admit - LX480 is soo fun to tweak and can be so close to R2 sound. And sometimes it can be miles away - just in a matter of character not quality. I really liked LX480 tonight. Awesome work of Relab. Maybe someday I will be able to afford every reverb I want | Absolutely. Very different sounds but they still envelope and enhance the source. And Phoenix is totally different than LX480 and R2.
I still can't say if I have a favourite as they all get used, but man I'm a happy guy.
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