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5th December 2012
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1. SSL
2. ITB
3. VCC

Which is what the results actually were, so definitely people are picking correctly... IE the difference IS audible...
Yep
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IE the difference IS audible...
Agree.
I get this sense of difference between anaolg summing and ITB summing.
It just feels more 3D (depth & width) with the analog summing.
It's not something I can really put my finger on but it 'feels' different.
Sounds weird I know but....
I do have amazing monitoring though (Miller & Kreisel 2.1 system)
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6th December 2012
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Agree.
I get this sense of difference between anaolg summing and ITB summing.
It just feels more 3D (depth & width) with the analog summing.
It's not something I can really put my finger on but it 'feels' different.
Sounds weird I know but....
I do have amazing monitoring though (Miller & Kreisel 2.1 system)
Would love to have a listen next time I'm up the east coast...

Do you have much experience with standalone summing boxes or just use the desk?
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Would love to have a listen next time I'm up the east coast...

Do you have much experience with standalone summing boxes or just use the desk?
This is a 2ru stand alone summer based on a 5000 series SSL bus card.
Uses Virtual Earth summing.
DSUB ins and XLR outs.

And you're welcome to come anytime for a listen / play.
Just contact me first to make a time - it's pretty crazy busy these days.
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8th December 2012
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This is a 2ru stand alone summer based on a 5000 series SSL bus card.
Uses Virtual Earth summing.
DSUB ins and XLR outs.

And you're welcome to come anytime for a listen / play.
Just contact me first to make a time - it's pretty crazy busy these days.
Of course - thanks! It won't be until next year but I'll make contact.
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18th December 2012
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wow i'm really surprised i got it right Listened with behringer truths and cheapest cables i could find.
I was hoping that #1 would have been ITB, it would have made my life alot easier. Working at a McJob and getting a SSL for personal use only is not a good combo.
But seriously, i might sound overdramatic here, but i would not have been able to finish mix #2 as it would have sounded too flat. I would have struggled too much while trying to figure out how to make it more deep and musical.
But with #1 i would have been tapping my foot all the time and having fun. Contrary to those people who say that the differences were small, i must say that boy ITB sucks a??
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1. ITB
2. SSL
3. VCC

I listened these using Quested S6R speakers.

Could somebody pm the results?
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14th March 2013
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1 ssl
2 itb
3 vcc

Could you pm me the right answers please.
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Answers (which are in the thread somewhere....)

1-SSL
2-ITB
3-VCC 4K
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Hi,

No idea which is which ... but from a qiuck listen ... I prefer N° 3

... waiting for the PM !

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How many tracks have been summed?
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I'm gonna have to go with:

1: ITB
2: SSL
3: VCC
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Is it worth the money seeing as though most people are going to listen to the material through shitty speakers anyways?
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1: ITB Mix
2. SSL summing box
3. VCC 4K


Did you used oversampling on VCC? It sounds like it is not active.
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Is it worth the money seeing as though most people are going to listen to the material through shitty speakers anyways?
Lol
Another defeatist.
Yeah why bother with good gear at all.
Just record to cassette portastudio, it's just gonna be an mp3 played through a laptop in the end.
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Is it worth the money seeing as though most people are going to listen to the material through shitty speakers anyways?
The point is to get it to sound as good as it possibly can even through those shitty speakers. That's what the expensive gear helps you do. Anyway I'm actually apprehensive about this test cause a plug like VCC needs to be mixed through to get the best results. Just slapping the plugin on a completed mix will not really make things better. In fact it may even muddy the mix.

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Listened on ESI Near05 Monitors and Sennheiser HD280 headphones:

1: ITB
2: SSL - My favourite - seems really nice and polished
3: VCC

Did anyone mention that was a pretty damn nice sounding track

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12th August 2013
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Im guessing

1 VCC

2 ITB

3 SSL

Am i right???
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i guess:

#1 Analog SSL, nice balance and image

#2 ITB, highs a little hyped i feel it brings them to the front, specially hard transients.

#3 Slate VCC, kind of weird harmonic distortion and exagerated punch. like #1 on steroids.

please send me the results!
thanks for this one
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As many have probably noted, the fact that people can't agree which is the SSL is pretty telling in itself. Of course there's a pretty common guess, but that's not the same as saying its obvious to everyone. And some people prefer ones that aren't (probably) the SSL.
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As many have probably noted, the fact that people can't agree which is the SSL is pretty telling in itself. Of course there's a pretty common guess, but that's not the same as saying its obvious to everyone. And some people prefer ones that aren't (probably) the SSL.
I reckon more people have guessed right.
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I reckon more people have guessed right.
As you'd expect on a recording forum. But that fact, that many don't know and many don't even prefer the SSL, says a lot, especially when you extrapolate out into the world of MP3s, radio limiters, ear buds, etc., etc.

It's very interesting to me, but not surprising considering how frequently these blind shoot outs reveal what people actually prefer, etc.



And btw., I'd also like the results when they're available
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Here is my two cents.

1. SSL
2. Slate
3. Original

Why?

I find the 3 is a little brighter, a bit more edgy. Would think the summing would take a bit off that.

If we invert the phase on any single track and play it with one of the others the following happens

1&2 - phasing
1&3 - Phasing
2&3 - weird garbled sound - last I time I heard that was comparing an ITB mix with one done using air windows. That is what I heard there too.

1 and 2 share the same sort of high end polish.

Are they really better? Hmmm. I could live with the ITB. I have compared the x-desk demo files and there is in fact this slight difference. If one has the money I don't see why we should deprive ourselves from another toy :D
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My taste... 2, 3 and then 1. Not a clue which one is which, though.
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