Shoot-out VCC/A800 Studer ON/OFF : Big alt rock mix

[bwstudios]

Hi guys,

I am working on this cool mix, i demoed the vcc and put it on all my tracks and buses. i thought it'd be cool to share the result and I wanted to know what it was precisely doing, i bounced 3 verions :

- VCC ON / Studer ON
- VCC off / Studer off
- VCC off / Studer ON

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I also included a file Compare 3. Download it, click on the arrow on the right. Slide it in your daw with tempo 145. the first 2 bars are both plugins on, the next 2 bars are both off and the last 2 studer on/vcc off. Because of those plugins are doing to the low end, especially the kick, i should have re-balanced the whole mix. but it didnt, dont really have the time for that. Note that oversampling was on the maximum setting on every instances. I used the 4k console.

Well, from this example, my conclusion is that those plugins are really not doing a lot... And I really pushed every single instances, whatever it is studer or vcc. The vcc is pushed always a lot in the red on the meter. And so is the studer, i always pushed until it started to sound too much.

So is it worth it to get the studer + an extra Quad card to throw the studer on all your tracks ? I don't think so. Is it worth is to buy the VCC, well i really pushed and i dont hear a whole world of difference. So i'd rather invest the money in a cool souding eq like the UAD neve. Something I can hear working.

All i can hear is that the kick is compressed less when the plugins are off and it's jumping out of the mix. And it took friggin long to set-up the plugins and the levels on every single track... not worth the time too imo.

PN : I am also interested to know what you guys are thinking of the mix with both plugins on. Any improvements ?

Cheers,
Nicolas.

[gabriel_au]

what it did to the drums makes it worth the time

[George Necola]

My words. Everytime I mention this I get a lot of hate mails/pms even sometimes from the manufacturer.

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[RaySoul]

First, pretty good mix. Next, I wonder if you're driving the plugs too hard? 'Cause it sounds to me like their choking the mix. The mix 'without'(and I only listened to the full 'with/without' both plugs) sounds more open. I like VCC when it's used for subtlety. Meaning, I don't 'try' to hear what it's doing by pushing it. I usually leave the drive and input flat. Seems to sound best that way. As for the Studer, I use Digi Reel Tape Saturation(in 'Swiss' mode) and it sounds very similar to the UAD. It adds very noticeable/pleasing texture when used sparingly. If you drive it too hard, it can mangle your result...

[bwstudios]

Originally Posted by RaySoul

First, pretty good mix. Next, I wonder if you're driving the plugs too hard? 'Cause it sounds to me like their choking the mix. The mix 'without'(and I only listened to the full 'with/without' both plugs) sounds more open. I like VCC when it's used for subtlety. Meaning, I don't 'try' to hear what it's doing by pushing it. I usually leave the drive and input flat. Seems to sound best that way. As for the Studer, I use Digi Reel Tape Saturation(in 'Swiss' mode) and it sounds very similar to the UAD. It adds very noticeable/pleasing texture when used sparingly. If you drive it too hard, it can mangle your result...

thanks.

well, i listened to every track soloed and tune the input/output for each. and i really tried not to go too far, but still far enough.

dunno, I'll check it again on another mix.