12th March 2010
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#1 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter  | UAD2 Massive Passive vs Massive Passive
Results are in, voting is closed: A is hardware. B is the plugin.
****Check later in the thread for more comparisons, especially the ones with a converter loopback on the UAD version starting at post #59, also quoted below.******
Here is a quick test I did with a drum loop and another with a full mix, applying a eq curve. One is the UAD2 non-mastering version. One is the real hardware unit. I also maxed out the Gain on both the plugin and the hardware, and there is also post compression or limiting on all these samples. Can you pick which is the hardware? The hardware is the same letter in each test.
Drum loop: http://www.animusmundi.net/songs/MPdrumA.wav http://www.animusmundi.net/songs/MPdrumB.wav
Here is the original drum loop with no eq: http://www.animusmundi.net/songs/MPdrum_raw.wav
Full mix: http://www.animusmundi.net/songs/MPmixA.wav http://www.animusmundi.net/songs/MPmixB.wav Quote:
Originally Posted by Animus  | Quote:
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Another thing to note is I guess the hardware is at an arguable disadvantage since the ADA is a Fireface, since I didn't feel like hooking up my Rosetta as its doing duties as a DAC.
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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WOHHH
I could not listen at proper listening level but from my first impression I would say ....NO IDEA differences are too subtle to say in blind which is which.
I will listen again tomorrow but it seems that UAD did a great job.
EDIT.... they also nearly null out.... WOW.....
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#3 | | Gear Head
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They sound very close but I think A just sounds a little more natural. That being said I have never heard the real thing before at lease live.
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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Sound the same to my ears!
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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B sounds more open.. especially in the highs. so I pick B to be the real thing.
edit: I just read you comment about the Fireface being in the chain with the hardware so maybe the hardware is A if the FF is screwing up the conversion.
To my mind, B sounds more natural though.
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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A is more creamy on the highs, A is the hw for me
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#7 | | Gear addict
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B is indeed more open in the highs but A to me has a little more depth overall so I think A is the hardware.
To be honest couldn't really care if I'm right or wrong they both sound very close and fantastic.
Also what converters where used? to do the DA/AD
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#8 | | Gear addict
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i did a quick listening on my laptop....
and i think that uad is the A loop.
uad plugs have a hi-end sheen on them... a more silky sound. 
they did a very nice job tho.
just my 2 cents.
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by b0ssa B sounds more open.. especially in the highs. so I pick B to be the real thing. |
Lets pray that B is not the Plug In....
Anyway all this is critic on a high level.
Smack my ass and call me judy. 
Plug Ins will go their way....WOW.... I never thought that will happen.
I bet if we could AB files of the unit UAD had there the game would get so close that we hardly could hear anything....
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#10 | | Lives for gear
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Keep em coming guys. i will reveal before I go to bed late night (or should I keep it going longer?). I will also do a vocal ABX.
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#11 | | Gear nut
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Guess this is wrong.. but when there is subtle diffrences that can not be obious turned apart.. I go with my emotions.. and there I have to say that A i Hardware.. sounds I tiny bit deeper..
You can if you listen closely hear differences.. but those could just as easily be converters etc.. or pure imagination..
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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A does sound more 'tubey' in the lows and mids though.. I'd be very happy to accept either. A is probably the plug-in though as it sounds a lot like what I have going on here right now.. demoing the MP now.
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Animus Keep em coming guys. i will reveal before I go to bed late night (or should I keep it going longer?). I will also do a vocal ABX. | Lets run it also with vocals.
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#14 | | Lives for gear
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sounds very close for sure! I felt that there was something a little weird going on with a so chose b to be the hardware. playing with the demo i am very impressed though i can see there is a real learning curve with this thing for anything other than simple one band boost/cuts.
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#15 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES Lets pray that B is not the Plug In....
Anyway all this is critic on a high level.
Smack my ass and call me judy.
Plug Ins will go their way....WOW.... I never thought that will happen.
I bet if we could AB files of the unit UAD had there the game would get so close that we hardly could hear anything.... | well, judy  times are changing...this is a new era "hi-end plugs"
i think if they do manny of those cpu munching plugs we need beter cards..
UAD 3 .20, 30 , 50 times the power of the UAD 1 card | |
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#16 | | Gear maniac
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A is real MP
B is UAD
I've been using UAD a long while I've come to know the sound. You can hear it on the snare......it's an annoying thing that is in all their plugin EQ's.
Hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.
Sounds good though....real good, I'm just being picky
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#17 | | Gear Head
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If A turns out to be the Plug-ins I'm sold.  | |
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#18 | | Lives for gear
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I went with B for the hardware.. studio has already been turned off for the day but on my laptop speaker A is a lil bit sibilant on the cymbals.
rsp
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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went ahead and posted a full mix with the MP as master eq in my original post. Exact same eq setting as the drum loop was applied with a limiter at the end of the chain. Hardware is the same letter in each sample.
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#20 | | Gear addict
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I'm going with 'B' for the hardware.. but it's certainly not night and day.
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#21 | | Lives for gear
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still to me there is a lil harshness in A that I don't' hear in B.. so I am saying B is the hardware.
rsp
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#22 | | Lives for gear
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Surely a tube based mastering EQ plug' must sound open so I must believe that the hardware is B. BUT...... ..based on the comment made earlier about the possible effects of the Fireface converters I'll say that A is indeed the hardware and B the plug-in. lol.
Serioously though.. I'll commit to my original choice of B as hardware...
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#23 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by zvenx still to me there is a lil harshness in A that I don't' hear in B.. so I am saying B is the hardware.
rsp | Yeah the Hats in A sound a touch 'harsh' whereas in B they are way more transparent.
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#24 | | Lives for gear
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Both sound really good but im gonna go with A as hardware and B as UAD, either way i think im sold
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#25 | | Gear addict
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After hearing the full mix I'm changing my vote to B hardware even though I already voted for A.
Either way they both sound great but prefer B now.
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#26 | | Lives for gear
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B sounds like the Massive Passive transformer outputs to me...dulls the sound, softens the transients, more width. Did you use the balanced or unbalanced outs? Unbalanced is more transparent. Both sound good though.
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#27 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Ben F B sounds like the Massive Passive transformer outputs to me...dulls the sound. Did you use the balanced or unbalanced outs? Unbalanced is more transparent. | balanced
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#28 | | Lives for gear
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What's up hardware-only freaks?
Can't you guys tell which is which (or even spot a difference) since the difference is "huge" between the "real deal" and the "crappy soft emulations"?
Once again, thats going to be fun! 
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#29 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Steab What's up hardware-only freaks?
Can't you guys tell which is which (or even spot a difference) since the difference is "huge" between the "real deal" and the "crappy soft emulations"?
Once again, thats going to be fun! | Use both. I take it by the comment you don't.
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#30 | | Gear Head
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So when do we get the answer ?  | |
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