Native reverbs plugins Shoot-Out thread

[bee]

Originally Posted by The Listener

I hope Virsyn REFLECT 2 with its hybrid technology applies... It takes early reflections from the IR and synthesizes all the rest... I imported Lexicon 480 medium hall IR and quickly tweaked it - set more early reflections than tail as sounds your example and roughly adjusted size, modulation, reverberation time, damping, predelay, diffusion, etc.

Another one is from Lex200 hall IR with the same "algoritmic" settings in Reflect as for the 480 example and another one is TC Fabrik R rough approximation made from its Hall algorithm.

Nice "test", I will probably buy the native version of Lexicon one day, but I can manage with Reflect for now - oh, btw - they have the end of the year discount now. You can get this nice reverb for 129eu, now. (no, I don't work for them, I just really like this plug-in reverb)

The TC fabrik R sounds the best out of the three, way more natural than the other two.

[Nahuel]

Originally Posted by Arksun

I don't see how its a waste of time. The Original Posters PMC96 example was lovely. The reverb time length was perfect and suited the audio material well. I prefer the way that sounds to your longer tail hall examples and the ArtsAcoustic examples show that results of equal lushness can be achieved in other reverb plugins.

If your particular presets were applied to say an orchestral piece of music, for sure that would work better yes, longer tail hall type would suit that better.

As for trying to recreate all Lexicon types 100% accurate, it seems rather pointless. Lexicon isnt some gospel truth de-facto standard of what reverbs should specifically sound like, I'm sure Bricasti, Quantum and Eventide wouldn't agree either. Each has their flavour, and equally so does plugs like the ArtsAcoustic and Aether (which really sounds like nothing else, totally different direction of what reverbs can be). All of the above capable of lush warm, dense, realistic or droney reverbs.

...man I really need to focus on work again, its scary how many minutes get lost surfing forums. lol

couldnt agree more, if you post a file please try to somewhat match the sound of the first example otherwise it's totally useless, for me at least.

[B-sharp]

Yeah the ones that didn't try to match it were not really helpful for a shootout. None of the other reverbs could do the lush natural thing that the Lex can. Some sounded pretty good. Most had annoying artifacts. When trying to get as full as the Lex the shortcomings became even more obvious. I'd be curious to demo the Virisyn to see what it can do. I would have been curious to hear an example of the Redline.

[Absolute]

There is nothing natural about that reverb sound. Its digital echo's just like every other reverb. I have never heard a room like that in my life and I know why--it doesnt exist--because it is completely UNnatural. I just think your using the wrong word to describe what your hearing.

I dont think anything about that sound is hard to get. Its just a dark digital reverb sound. What people need are the parameters because thats what your demanding to hear. Most of the other verb samples are perfectly fine--but no one has the parameters set right...so they are just not what You want to hear on this vocal

and about the Mp3's. Guys are you not engineers? If not-- get educated because a well encoded Mp3 is perfectly fine for reverb tails--especially verb as dark as this. I think people just like to repeat fallacies because they trusted someone who they thought knew what they were talking about. Think for yourself for cryin out loud.....there is nothing on a vocal even worth hearing where aliasing might occur on the sonic spectrum. This isnt Youtube conversion --is it?

[Hardtoe]

When I unzip the presets, the folder is empty?

[clw123]

Hi,
I processed the file with 6 different reverbs. Below is a download link for a zip file containing the 6 wavs.

This list does not correspond to the order of the files, I thought it would avoid peoples prejudices ! Altho i'm happy to put the real names of the reverbs up if thats what people want.

Included in the folder is :

Sonnox Reverb
DUY Z Room
UAD Dreamverb
UAD Realverb
CSR Hall

and a TC Reverb 4000.

http://www.divshare.com/direct/10837147-ec2.zip

Cheers,
Chris

[Den]

Originally Posted by clw123

Altho i'm happy to put the real names of the reverbs up if thats what people want.

Ooh Man Another test.

[clw123]

Originally Posted by Den

Ooh Man Another test.

lol ! Sorry, I didnt mean for it to come across as a challenge to fellow GearSlutz !

Just thought it would start some interesting conversation

Cheers,
Chris

[Den]

Originally Posted by clw123

lol ! Sorry, I didnt mean for it to come across as a challenge to fellow GearSlutz !

Just thought it would start some interesting conversation

Cheers,
Chris

It is ok. I m just joking. You did a good job 55 MB, Ohh..

Too many reverbs for recognition. No 1 is CSR...

[clw123]

Hi,
It wasn't to try and get people to guess the names of the reverbs btw, I just thought it would really make people pick the one they liked the most as opposed to just picking the TC 4000 or whatever, if that makes sense lol

But yes, CSR is Reverb No.1

Cheers

[Den]

Originally Posted by clw123

Hi,
It wasn't to try and get people to guess the names of the reverbs btw, I just thought it would really make people pick the one they liked the most as opposed to just picking the TC 4000 or whatever, if that makes sense lol

But yes, CSR is Reverb No.1

Cheers

I will give you few presets for CSR .
How Lexicon Large Hall 480L sounds on CSR? Find the best IR and Try it. And PCM simulation.
P.S.
Sorry It was wrong file. Now is O.K.

[Den]

Here they are Simulations of EMT Plate and PCM Native Plate.

I Hope someone will enjoy..

[belleym]

Here's a 320k clip using Lexicon's PCM Native Reverb Plug-in preset Random Hall - Large Hall 1. It's not as rich sounding as the PCM96 but it's "purdy darn close" in some parts...

[Hardtoe]

Where did you get 1.5? I haven't heard anything about the update? Give us some details on what is new, if you dont mind...

[Andrew Souter]

I invited Den to join our 1.5 Beta since it was clear (from his earlier posts here) that he is very good at making presets. We think he has a great ear and we have asked him to contribute some presets to the new version along with some other people.

No official details on 1.5 yet. It is coming very soon though. We are just polishing new presets and the user manual at this point.

--

Andrew Souter

2CAudio | convergent creative precision | 2CAudio | products | aether 1.0.1
Galbanum | sonic science aural allusion | Galbanum | sonic science aural allusion

[Hardtoe]

Thanks Andrew - looking forward to this release.

[deuc647]

Listening from a laptop at work on earbuds, i have to say the only one that came superclose was the eventide one on the first page. but like i said earlier, that is in my current listening enviornment

[Jantex]

I managed to get 99,9% close to the original fith Lexicon Native Hall. I believe with more detailed tweaking I could easily come to 100. IMHO there's absolutely no quality difference between PCM96 and PCM Native Bundle, there is also little bit of sound difference because of additional AD/DA conversion but nothing that cannot be conpensated with tweaks of the parameters.

[laboso]

Princeton Digital Stereo Room Plugin:

[chrisj]

Hang on, I don't need to drag out Logic- I just worked out how to add busses to AU Lab. I did it over again, but I darkened everything with my plug 'Distance' applied just on the verb bus (it's sort of a postproduction tool)

This ought to be a lot nearer the mark- OP target mp3 included for reference. Nearspace is the one to be similar- Farspace is a lot more reverberant than the target example. They both come in this bundle- FarSpace/NearSpace and the darkening was done with Distance but there's no reason you couldn't just use the regular DAW EQ to do it...

[triton92]

Here is Altiverb 6 with medium plate setting tweaked!

[Aerowave]

This is Magix VariVerb Pro. I am the author of the preset
I tried to reproduce the MOST ACCURATE sample, located in the first message
So I used a little EQ, stereo expander and saturator, but I post and clean variant

P.S. Anyway Lexicon Only

[AndyPanda]

I know this thread is a bit old, but I still enjoyed reading the thread and listening to the comparisons. I took a stab at duplicating the sound of PCM96 file using Sonnox. Actually I prefer the settings I ususally use with Sonnox over the target sound here - but I still wanted to see if I could get the same vibe. The stereo field is a bit different but pretty close to the same general vibe.

[AndyPanda]

I took another stab at this with the sonnox oxford reverb and also with CSR. Surprising how CSR is so Lexicon-like in its character - while the Sonnox reverb was not copied/modeled after existing hardware.

This time I mixed the Sonnox reverb to only use the tail and no early reflections - though the early reflections is what I like most about the sonnox, I felt like it came closer to matching the target PCM file with the ER bypassed.

[lukas82]

For me the Sonox Reverbs here sounds better than the lex. pcm reverb !

Also this Epicverb sounds better to me..


Maybe the Lexicon's are to dens for vocals

[qpress]

a nice Breeze preset...

[MarvelM]

Anyone tried the TSAR-1 yet??

[KennaOkoye]

The EOS sounds better than the comparison lolll

[KennaOkoye]

Originally Posted by qpress

a nice Breeze preset...

this one is REALLY GOOD. what is this?

[qpress]

Originally Posted by KennaOkoye

this one is REALLY GOOD. what is this?

The 'church 2' breeze preset.