Wunder CM7 vs Beesneez T1 vs U87i vs Beesneez James - Page 3

didier.brest · 12th November 2009

On Kel's voice, I preferred 4 followed by 2 as a second choice.

anguswoodhead · 12th November 2009

Ok - some good guesses there.
All will be revelaed soon.

All who were in the control room on the day preferred Mic's 1 and 4 on Kel's voice and we ended up choosing Mic 1 because of it's warmth.
The big question is - which mic is Mic 1?

sahiaman · 12th November 2009

My Guess:

James
Wunder
Beezneez
U87

I think I'm fairly happy with that guess upon listening to the first set up clips.

Thanks for doing this, this was way fun.

didier.brest · 13th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by mics

You need to use the process of elimination, all it means is that neither of them got the same one right!!!!

2 people guessing, 4 possibles, 4 choices. 4 x 4 = 16 possibles x 2 = 32 possibles. between them they have chosen 3 from 32.

Can you see now?

cheers.

tutt
You are undoubtedly a better expert in mics than in combinatorial analysis. There are not 16 but 24 possibles for associating 4 takes to 4 mics.

But there are only 16 different associations of a cap choosen among 4 different ones and a transformer choosen among 4 different ones for building a mic.

Cheers.

futur2 · 13th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by anguswoodhead

All who were in the control room on the day preferred Mic's 1 and 4 on Kel's voice and we ended up choosing Mic 1 because of it's warmth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anguswoodhead

The big question is - which mic is Mic 1?

and mic 4? will be interesting to see if one of the two is the affordable james...

mingar · 13th November 2009

Ok Angus time for results please............ no more teasing. Let us all know.
(Thanks for the shoot out BTW).
Michael.

Piedpiper · 13th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by mingar

Ok Angus time for results please............ no more teasing. Let us all know.
(Thanks for the shoot out BTW).
Michael.

He already said, Sunday.

hpp99 · 13th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by didier.brest

tutt
You are undoubtedly a better expert in mics than in combinatorial analysis. There are not 16 but 24 possibles for associating 4 takes to 4 mics.

But there are only 16 different associations of a cap choosen among 4 different ones and a transformer choosen among 4 different ones for building a mic.

Cheers.

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4123 4132 4213 4231 4312 4321

You're right... it's 24...

11 12 13 14
21 22 23 24
31 32 33 34
41 42 43 44

And again right... 16... hey, what are you doing for a living?

Still I would buy a mic from Ben the very second I got the money!

mics · 13th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by hpp99

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2134 2143 2314 2341 2413 2431
3124 3142 3214 3241 3412 3421
4123 4132 4213 4231 4312 4321

You're right... it's 24...

11 12 13 14
21 22 23 24
31 32 33 34
41 42 43 44

And again right... 16... hey, what are you doing for a living?

Still I would buy a mic from Ben the very second I got the money!

hahah, you guys have way too much time on your hands!!!

next you'll be discussing Amplification factor v Output Impedance v Mutual conductance ratios in tubes.

(ps; when you do, let me know your findings)

badboymusic · 13th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by mics

hahah, you guys have way too much time on your hands!!!

next you'll be discussing Amplification factor v Output Impedance v Mutual conductance ratios in tubes.

(ps; when you do, let me know your findings)

I've already got it!!
It's a 12,964 page PDF document I can email you.

mics · 13th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboymusic

I've already got it!!
It's a 12,964 page PDF document I can email you.

Cool sounds great, i'll get through over a cuppa. lol

mics · 13th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumbari

I have seen him before and that is exactly what he looks like all day every day in or out of bed.

Do you care to explain how you know waht he looks like in bed, i thought this forum was (G) rated.

cheers

Schaap · 14th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by hpp99

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4123 4132 4213 4231 4312 4321

You're right... it's 24...

You must be happy he didn't use 10 mic's

. The way to do the math is: if you have 4 items in any possible combination the math is 4!, 4x3x2x1 possibilities. For 10: 10! = 3628800

Henk

anguswoodhead · 14th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by winzer

ok.... second try

1 u87
2 cm7
3 james
4 t1

math done corretly?

Yep you got it right mate.

Thanks everyone for having a go.
We were all surprised by the U87 and chose to use that mic on the day for Kel's vocal.
The other mic we liked was the T1 (Mic 4).
But of course all 4 mics sound good.
Thanks for participating in my little shoot out.

aberwastone · 15th November 2009

Thanks to the guys from the "down under scene" for posting these files and doing the shoot out. Enjoyed it.

**sniperschool** · 15th November 2009

i knew it i knew it!
i just forgot to post my answers

withintheflux · 15th November 2009

Surprised at the u87. I thought certainly it was number 2. I'm jazzed and not surprised, that the James is number 3. Mine will arrive next week. I have wanted a dark mic. Seems to be just the thing.

Thanks for the test!

futur2 · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by anguswoodhead

Yep you got it right mate.

Thanks everyone for having a go.
We were all surprised by the U87 and chose to use that mic on the day for Kel's vocal.
The other mic we liked was the T1 (Mic 4).
But of course all 4 mics sound good.
Thanks for participating in my little shoot out.

good old u87. sorry to hear the james is none of my favorites (also 1&4). would have been too nice

thanks angus!

Docmattic · 15th November 2009

I listened to everyones files. Kel was by far the best to do the shoot out on.

i think the 87 was a clear winner in this case. It just fitted his voice. If you listen to how the word 'sand' comes across the 87 compared to the other mics it clealy shows why.

i guess this has been establised already.

Just goes to show the level that all these mics are on. You could use all of them and me stoked with every single one. They all have their own qualities.

Aearth · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by futur2

good old u87. sorry to hear the james is none of my favorites (also 1&4). would have been too nice

thanks angus!

Consider that the James still sounded good and also 1/2 the cost of a vintage U87.

nIC

drBill · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by drBill

PS - kind of made me want to STOP buying more mics after trying to split hairs and justify buying a new $4k mic that sounds only infinitesimally different than ones I already have.

If I can't get it out of the 60+ that I already have..... For R&R, the 87 always seems to get the nod around here and I've got a golden one so......

thumbsup

xj32 · 15th November 2009

Wow quite interesting outcome...

Well now I am thinking..."man I wish I could afford a tribute", and while I tried them a few times in other studios, maybe it is time to stop talking my self out of it and buy my own U87 and just be done with it.

XJ

Piedpiper · 15th November 2009

Very interesting! 87s do vary and you'd want to try before you buy IME. I actually prefer my Peluso VTB with upgraded coupling caps and wiring to the U87s I've compared it to, including a very nice early seventies one, a little more naturally detailed. Boy, surprised I didn't like the CM7 better. Which version capsule? Figured the James as I've heard clips of it before. It does what it does well. The T1 is definitely interesting. Thanks for the opportunity and the good clean fun.

futur2 · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aearth

Consider that the James still sounded good and also 1/2 the cost of a vintage U87.

nIC

what's good to hear is that the james is not a sibiliant mic (e.g. compared to the wunder) i already knew that from fromer shootouts...

illacov · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by futur2

what's good to hear is that the james is not a sibiliant mic (e.g. compared to the wunder) i already knew that from fromer shootouts...

So the James is 800 bucks compared to a 1600 dollar U87??tutt That I doubt.

How much have you guys seen U87s go for used? I ain't talking the AI either.

Peace
Illumination

Docmattic · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aearth

Consider that the James still sounded good and also 1/2 the cost of a vintage U87.

nIC

I thought the james held its own! ( i own one aswell). If id had all those microphones to choose from i would be more than happy with any. They all sound wonderful and are peices of art. The 87 just worked better in this case.

I wonder what the james would sound like with the transformer from the t1?

mics · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Docmattic

I wonder what the james would sound like with the transformer from the t1?

Like an AM Radio!!!

The tube in the James has a high plate impedance meaning that it needs to be paired with a transformer that has a high windings ratio ie 10.5:1 where the tribute's plate impedance is much lower.

cheers

Piedpiper · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by mics

Like an AM Radio!!!

The tube in the James has a high plate impedance meaning that it needs to be paired with a transformer that has a high windings ratio ie 10.5:1 where the tribute's plate impedance is much lower.

cheers

LOL.

drBill · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by xj32

Wow quite interesting outcome...

Well now I am thinking..."man I wish I could afford a tribute", and while I tried them a few times in other studios, maybe it is time to stop talking my self out of it and buy my own U87 and just be done with it.

XJ

Everyone should have a U87. Desert Island mic.

xj32 · 15th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by drBill

Everyone should have a U87. Desert Island mic.

Yep that's what I keep coming back to as missing in my collection...probably pick up a new one his year. I pretty much don't buy vintage, I just don't trust it. Never know if you are getting a golden one or a piece or crap.

Well I did luck out with my KM-84's...they look beat, no badges, but they sound amazing.

XJ

12th November 2009	#62
anguswoodhead Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: On the East Coast of Australia Posts: 3,273 Thread Starter	Ok - some good guesses there. All will be revelaed soon. All who were in the control room on the day preferred Mic's 1 and 4 on Kel's voice and we ended up choosing Mic 1 because of it's warmth. The big question is - which mic is Mic 1? __________________ Woodhead Studios www.beerwahmusic.com.au (Audiophile Quality Custom Designed Products) Pro Tools 10 Native SSL Madi Extreme 64 with Alphalink UAD2Quad Nehelim 4,1 Mac Pro Quad Core, 16GB Ram 32 Ch SSL 'Mix Box' summing

12th November 2009	#63
sahiaman Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,350	My Guess: James Wunder Beezneez U87 I think I'm fairly happy with that guess upon listening to the first set up clips. Thanks for doing this, this was way fun. __________________ "We are each of us angels, with only one wing. We can only fly by embracing each other." - Luciano De Crescenzo

15th November 2009	#77
withintheflux Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Francisco, ca Posts: 230	........ Surprised at the u87. I thought certainly it was number 2. I'm jazzed and not surprised, that the James is number 3. Mine will arrive next week. I have wanted a dark mic. Seems to be just the thing. Thanks for the test! __________________ www.clumsycongregation.com

15th November 2009	#82
xj32 Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 1,201	Wow quite interesting outcome... Well now I am thinking..."man I wish I could afford a tribute", and while I tried them a few times in other studios, maybe it is time to stop talking my self out of it and buy my own U87 and just be done with it. XJ __________________ "...learning it is far different from getting a good sound out of it" Mike Caffrey "The gear doesn't really care what kind of music you pump through it, be it rap or classical " thethrillfactor "Maybe it doesn't sound much like the original, but given that only 0.00000000000000137% of the population would know and only 0.00000041% of those would care, I'm not too worried about it." Dean Roddey

15th November 2009	#83
Piedpiper Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Between the Notes, Iowa Posts: 1,887	Very interesting! 87s do vary and you'd want to try before you buy IME. I actually prefer my Peluso VTB with upgraded coupling caps and wiring to the U87s I've compared it to, including a very nice early seventies one, a little more naturally detailed. Boy, surprised I didn't like the CM7 better. Which version capsule? Figured the James as I've heard clips of it before. It does what it does well. The T1 is definitely interesting. Thanks for the opportunity and the good clean fun. __________________ Tim Britton producer, engineer, musician, audio sales http://www.piedpiperprod.com http://uilleanpipes.com row, row, row your boat...

12th November 2009	#61
didier.brest Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,669	On Kel's voice, I preferred 4 followed by 2 as a second choice.

13th November 2009	#66
mingar Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 10	Ok Angus time for results please............ no more teasing. Let us all know. (Thanks for the shoot out BTW). Michael.

15th November 2009	#75
aberwastone Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 74	Thanks to the guys from the "down under scene" for posting these files and doing the shoot out. Enjoyed it.

15th November 2009	#76
sniperschool Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK Posts: 4,642	i knew it i knew it! i just forgot to post my answers

15th November 2009	#79
Docmattic Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 846	I listened to everyones files. Kel was by far the best to do the shoot out on. i think the 87 was a clear winner in this case. It just fitted his voice. If you listen to how the word 'sand' comes across the 87 compared to the other mics it clealy shows why. i guess this has been establised already. Just goes to show the level that all these mics are on. You could use all of them and me stoked with every single one. They all have their own qualities.

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